New van.. couple of issues but getting there

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  1. Jaws

    Jaws Funster Life Member

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    First off, the folk we bought it from have so far been absolute diamonds.. They have bent over backwards for us..

    Due entirely to my fault we had to collect the van a day early.
    It was not ready and still had a couple of issues .. Both real buggers....
    They had three people on it for about 4 hours but sadly could not sort it out before we just had to leave.. I was supposed to be going to a show in Germany today but have had to send someone in my place so I can get the van sorted out..
    They have already said any costs incurred they would cover.. even if I have to get a local dealer to sort the issues out.. So me being me I will sort out the probs myself so it will not cost them lolly.. If they had not offered I would have proly said sod it let someone else do the faults :Wink:

    So what is wrong ?
    No electrickery to the boiler.. Works on gas but there is no tell tail light on the wall switch so it cannot be much.. Had the Sargent unit apart today and that all checks out ok,, Further tests and I realised the fridge is working ok and that is on the same breaker/circuit so what ever the issue it it cannot be much !

    Other issue is really weird

    The control panel says there is no hookup when there is.. Everything works as it should, from the mains lights, to the charger to .. well everything really ( apart from the heater as previously mentioned )

    And I have GOT to suss out how to stop the hab 12v system from turning off when I start the engine.. Cannot be doing with that rubbish !!

    Oh and another weird one.. No hot water from the shower head.. But I reckon that is just the mixer tap playing silly buggers.. Darrell ( Nemo ) can sort that out for me !

    Other than that.. its all good.. Put the solar panels on today ( though I think I am going to revisit that tomorrow as again, I do not like the standard method of charge the Sargent panel uses and will be doing some work on that.. Splitting the batteries to two separate sections of the charger is asking for issues to my mind..


    So whats on the menu for tomorrow ?

    Install the sat system and the telly, and maybe the Waterpure too :thumb:

    If I get time I will also fit the Alugas but as I have to do some real ( as in earn some dosh ) work I may not get that done.. Still, be nice to have something to do on Wednesday :Wink:
     
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    Forgot to mention who we bought it from.. Richard Baldwin Motorhomes in Halifax :thumb:
     
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    WOW, sounds like a lot of work, but at least you will know the van really well by the time you have it sorted, and the van does look really smart.
     
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    Nice one, John - looking forward to seeing this beast sometime :thumb:
     
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    Is there fuse on the heater switch, check if there is power to the switch, it could be the immersion heater.
     
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    First thing I checked :Smile:

    All the autotrail mains wiring is colour coded..

    For instance, the wiring for the fridge is black, for the water heater blue, for some of the sockets orange, for other sockets yellow etc etc

    The AC feed wire to the fridge, as mentioned, is black.
    It goes to the third RCB which is a 6 amp jobby..
    What is odd is that the water heater wire is blue but goes to the same RCB..
    Tomorrow I will start tracing the darned thing to find out what is going on.. I have a nasty feeling it has either been cut or drilled through or something..

    I shall report back !!
     
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    John, If I can get any info from Autotrail direct let me know

    Andrea
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    Cheers Andrea.. Appreciate that mate
    Sussed out the hab turn off thing when you start the engine.. It is a red and yellow wire ( number 9 in the sensor plug ) that does the deed.. job done !! :thumb:

    And it looks like the weird split charge set up has been resolved.
    It seems that although there are two sets of wires coming from the batteries up to the panel, they feed through two fuses and then join together in the panel ?
    I am not 100% sure about that yet so will have to double check but whatever, it is still an odd set up.
     
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    And todays update

    The Sat system is in, and working, the WiFi system is in and working, the telly is semi in but not wired yet.. Still got nowhere with the water heater but have not really looked as it is not high on the list.
    Found the wire on the Sargent that is the engine running sensor .. Disconnected it and all SEEMED fine.. But then realised the fridge would not switch over.. So after everything else is sorted out I shall revisit that and use the engine running wire to switch a separate relay relay so the fridge will kick in and out without killing all the other electrics.

    Sussed out the 'no mains' message on the control panel.. Apparently the Sargent panel is faulty :Doh:

    As I would have to send it away and be without for 10 days I have decided I can live with the error :Wink:

    Oh, and filled up the water tank.. JEEEEEZZZZ.. It must be HUGE !!
    Took ages and ages.. In the end got to 75% and gave up.. Proly got enough water on board to irrigate most of Botswana :BigGrin:
    Tomorrow it will be finish off fitting and wiring the telly, then on to the Alugas fitting and the Waterpure ( I MIGHT talk Darrell in to doing those jobs.. After all, he is the gas fitter and plumber ! :Wink:
     
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    Sooo.. Todays update

    Finished installing the telly and connecting it to all the widgets and sources.

    Fitted the two atomic controlled clocks

    Modified the left hand seat end arm which, quite frankly is very poor design.
    There WAS a natty opening flap which formed a small table when opened. That flap was all that stopped the arm from flapping about like a crisp packet in a hurricane !!
    Sadly the catches that hold the flap in place were simply not man enough so when the arm was lent on the flap came open.. So dumped all the clever bits and simply screwed the flap to the seat body.
    That helped but the arm its self was still pretty hopeless as the support was too short.
    I extended that down with a plate of aluminium far enough to actually give the arm some decent support..

    And the biggy today was to sort out why the bloody hot water did not work on electric.
    In fact it looks like it has never worked from new !
    Checking the feed wire I found that the return was open circuit somewhere under the floor.
    I have no idea why Autotrail felt a completely separate feed was needed feed all the way from the Sargent panel to both the fridge and the water heater even though they share a common connection in the control panel and are fitted beside each other in the van
    Rather than rip the van apart to try and find the fault I simply spurred off the fridge feed
    All is now working as it should.

    Tomorrow I might have to do some real work as the young lady who deals with all the incoming orders is off for the day, but with any luck I will have time to fit the DVR in the windscreen ( gonna be awkward due to the built in blinds But I am sure I will suss it out :Smile:

    Also gonna disconnect the reversing camera from screen that is roof mounted in a centre consul ( bloody STUPID idea if ever there was one ) and put a split screen monitor on the dash which will allow me to actually SEE what the camera is seeing without risking wrenching my neck or indeed having the top of my head removed should ( god forbid ) I am ever in a serious accident..

    If any time left I will look at installing a decent cat 1 alarm system ( which I was led to believe was already fitted ) and get shot of the two shilling jamboree bag system that is currently making the occasional meep meep noise !

    Also got to look at the toilet pump ( wellll.. gotta FIND it first ! )
    Apparently the Autotrail has two pumps, one specifically for the toilet, and it has a VERY weak output indeed..
     
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    Sooo.. up atr 6 this morning to get all the orders done to give me a bit more time on the van

    But !!!


    OMG !!!
    All morning I have been trying to trace where the bloody reversing camera feed goes.
    I have had half the van apart and still cannot find it !

    Just off the fone from Autotrail ( what nice folk they are :thumb: ) and even they did not know !

    They have asked I send the info request by email with chassis number so they can pull up the original specs sheets and see what options there were..
    So I am stuck with that at the moment by the looks of it
    It goes in to the cab roof and simply disappears !

    Had both of the windscreen side pillar covers off, and both sides of the rear pillar covers off.. No bloody sign of it.


    DVR fitted .. Had to cheat a bit.. Not exactly happy with what I had to do to fix it but hey ho...
    I made a small ally bracket up and screwed it to the top of the rear view mirror.. Like I say, not exactly ecstatic as it looks a bit naff but I did not want to put it low down on a window sucker as it would be in my line of site on occasions..

    Currently got number 1 grandson doing a full exterior clean and polish on the beast.. Paying him a fair old wad but I expect him to be at it for at least 7 or 8 hours !
     
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    this could be the no return valve, fitted at the end if the feeder pipe which connects to the tap,

    on mine it was the cold feed, stoping enough cold water mixing with the hot, so the therostatic mixer shuts down, hence no hot water, took me ages to work it out, and you need small hands to do the job
    :Doh:
     
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    jaws

    Can't wait to see your new toy
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    I fitted a mirror monitor had to thread it to the rearview box in the cupboard behind the drivers seat then wired a three way switch on the power so i can have it on permanently on when towing the car or just on when in reverse left the flip down screen wired up for the dvd
     
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    Hi John as you know I am not the greatest with leccy (thats why Paul does mine:BigGrin:) but chances are the reversing camera will be wired into the back reversing lights ie select reverse and camera comes on --well mine does :BigGrin: you may find a wire or two that does not normally belong there
    terry
     
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    The camera system in the Chieftain enters the rear wall, then dives straight back in to the wall a couple of inches lower..
    You would think it wends its way up to the front via the media control centre .. Nope !

    Absolutely no sign of the cabling at all.. Crawled underneath as a good many cables are run externally.. nope.

    I shall await word from Autotrail :Smile:

    Soooo.. what have I been doing today ?

    Fitted the Waterpure

    Found a leak whilst doing it so fixed that

    And then spent most of the rest of the day loading up all the 'usual stuff' .. clothing etc

    Then I noticed a disaster...

    I have NO idea how it happened but one of the curved glass panels that cover the corner mains powered lights has broken..

    Lord only knows how or where I will get a replacement :Sad:

    Tomorrow will def have to be a day off, as I have to do some more real work AND we have a bit of a family get together

    But I might get a spare bit of time in the morning.. If I do I shall be installing either the CB radio or the reversing sensore
     
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    Pretty much as predicted.. no time to play..
    All I ended up doing was changing the over head mattress for a box spring type, and cleaning off some old sikaflex running some fresh beads on a couple of joints I did not like the look of.
     
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    One very odd thing we are discovering
    The new van has a lot more locker space.. Yet we seem to have run out of places to put the stuff we took out the old van !
    I thought it was pretty much all loaded up then woman notices we have not put the DVD's in, none of the books in ( all the aires books, acsi books etc etc ) plus a good of other 'objeda' that is essential to our day to day living
     
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    Just a thought re your DVD`s, we used to carry a selection of DVD`s, and as most in the end ran out of space on where to put them all, we had the Arapaho so lots od storage space but like most you soon fill it up.

    So I bought a little gadget called A Sumvision Cyclone, Copied all our films onto a 2tb hard drive, played through the Sumvision via a HDMI cable we now have all our HD 1080p films in the smallest of places.
    Note don`t buy the Mk1 version get the Mk2 the remote on the MK1 is a waste of time, the Mk2 has a much better front end menu on the TV.:thumb:
     
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    Ahh... welllllllllllll
    As well as the sat system, the dvd player, the freeview system, we also have a large hard drive that is FULL of films too !
     
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