New engine needed for Hymer B544 1992

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  1. Aye Mya

    Aye Mya Read Only Funster

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    Hi all,
    I've just found out that I need a new engine for my Hymer that I bought 2 months ago.
    I was used once and for some reason burnt oil and the people I lent it to let to run out without realising. Now there is no oil pressure.
    Any advice?
     
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    Get a recon short engine and let them pay for it they let the oil run out.:thumb:
     
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    It might be best to ID your engine type first.

    Breakers yards aren't going to have a clue what engine a Hymer has. They might however, have an engine for a ducato van of a similar age.

    It might be worth PMing Bill the Drill, he has seen more than his fair share of older Ducato engines lately!:Smile:
     
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    now that's a good idea, he may even have one he can build up for you.
     
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    Is there any evidence of con-rod failure? Does it still turn over by hand? (Do NOT use the starter, but use a large spanner on the crank end sprocket).

    Christian.
     
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    I have no idea as it's in with the garage. What if it can?
    Mainly I'm just wondering whether to pay for a rebuild instead of risking another rubbish engine.
     
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    Funnily enough, they were in Ilfracombe when they broke down.
     
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    I would speak to my brother andy (ratvan) on here,or phone him on 01509 815805. As he has been selling and breaking vans of all types for aprox 20 years,I am sure if anyone knows the answer he will, good look.:thumb:
     
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    I assume this was a private sale? Otherwise take it back. Even "home traders" are covered by the law if they deal in vehicles but not if it is a genuine private sale.
     
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    If the van is still in Ilfracombe you may be lucky as there is an engine reconditioning firm less than 10 miles away. either you or the garage can arrange the engine to be removed, taken for rebuild and then refitted. Bill the drill is currently in Cornwall having left Ilfracombe on Tuesday, he might be up for it if he has time but I suspect he has to be back on the rig next week.
     
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    If it turns, you may be lucky, it may just need the oil leak sorting and some new oil. It will have caused some damage, but might not have been fatal.

    If it seized, it may still be retrievable. It would depend on the engine. Something highly strung is probably a write-off, but a solid Merc might possibly be reamed out, new rings, bearing shells, crankshaft, oil seals and away you go...

    If there is a con-rod through the crank case, forget it.

    Also, if you need a new engine and don't look like a mug, consider the really dodgy recon engine places. They'll fleece you as soon as look at you, but if you don't look like a pushover, you can get your engine swapped with something that turns for a good price. It won't be like new, but it will drive the vehicle. Scrapyards can be a cheap, but there is an element of risk unless you know the vehicle was scrapped for reasons other than the engine.

    What you don't do is go to the manufacturer for a brand new engine for £8K, unless it happens to be a Chevrolet, where a 5.7L V8 long block (complete with cylinder heads) can be had brand new for £2K, including delivery, duty and VAT.
     
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    It was a private sale.
    I guess another question has this happened to anyone and what did they do?
    I know it will cost either way but my thinking is is at least rebuilding means I know that it has been done and means much more life, but a new engine might be just as bad as old one??
    Thanks for your replies.
     
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    As far as am aware no vehicle is covered for anything to do with the driver allowing the engine to run without oil. New, old, dealer or private sale. Any engine that is run without oil will cancel any warranty that there may have been. Even on a new vehicle, any damage caused by lack of oil will not be covered under warranty.
     
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    in agree go for recon with warranty

    get the guys u loaned it to to pay for it there around £1000 or 1200 if your engine is no use to them meanuing conrod topend or bottom is banged out the main engine linning or casing ,, scrap in otherwords , however please make sure that you remove your injectors in one piece as there costly to replace apprx £600 for a set of warrantied reconditioned,, do not snap them,, better still what area are you ??
     
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    this is very good advice but what engine is in it thats gone,

    is the engine type known ??
     
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    It's a Citroen 1992. And it had turned but now it's seized :(
     
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    If its the turbo diesel on a 92 Citroen and the 2.5 ltr, its the engine from the Citroen CX. The chances of finding a good one of those second hand is zilch am afraid.
     
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    It happened to me. I bought a brand new V8 engine (despite being a 1978 model). I would have reconditioned properly, but the quote was higher than the new engine and that was assuming the block was OK. It is very unlikely that a European new engine could be found for that price. I was also considering the fact that fitting the engine to my model was extraordinarily complicated, so fitting costs were high also. Unusually, you need to drop the engine down, which requires complete removal of the front suspension, brakes, transmission etc. Due to these costs, getting an engine that was definitely good was essential.

    Which engine is it? What size is it? Is it a Peugeot XUD or something else really common?
     
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    Well, you'll find them easily enough, but they're unashamedly classic, so will be very expensive.

    If it is that engine, rebuild is looking tempting, if there is no crankcase damage.
     
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    It's a 1992 Citroen diesel 2.5 litre.
    So a rebuild it is then.
    Any ideas what I'm looking at cost wise so I know a ball park?
     
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