New (Comercial) HGV law in France.

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  1. Frentchy

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    Just in case some of you missed the good news. I posted this on the Morocco Thread "The new law (All Commercial Vehicles over 7.5t must use the Auto routes to the nearest exit to their delivery point), it has been in force for about a month (its really quiet at my place:thumb:) the police will be Enforcing this in January," So Enjoy the N/Rs its shorter and cheaper and all the crazy HGVs will be on the A/Routes Bonne Route:france:
     
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    Sounds good but is this the thin end of the wedge before they reduce it to 3500k which is less than a lot of motorhomes:Smile:
     
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    But often mega annoying as the speed limit is changing 50/70/90 every few yards.

    That is not good for economy or relaxed driving.
     
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    What may I ask will happen to all my favourite eateries. How will truck drivers get to Les Routiers at meal times. What do convoi exceptionel do now as they cannot get through the paeage and are banned from the autoroute.
     
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    No problem Polar Bear, It applies only to Commercial HGVs.
     
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    As long as they keep it to commercials that would be fine as it would not include Motorhomes.
     
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    Err, where are they going to park all these HGVs up each night on the autoroute. Hundreds of thousands of HGVs park up for the night and over the weekend on the RN. Sounds like the autoroute is gona be gridlocked, or someone has got it wrong.
     
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    The French authorities.

    Is this how they are going to get out of their rescission by making all the trucks pay tolls?
    :Doh:
     
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    This is the same country that brought in compulsory Alcotest kits to be carried in vehicles.

    Do you think all Les Routiers will just close down without a peep.

    Do you think all Haulage companies will agree to pay excessive Peage fees which will also have and adverse effect on their economy.

    Many HGV already use the Peage as it makes sense on economy of time and driving hours. Those who have more local routes will just plan their deliveries and pick ups accordingly so as to avoid excessive costs.....


    .... and remember a heck of a lot of Autoroutes are not Peage so have no tolls anyway so these will continue to be used as normal.



    :thumb:
     
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    Sorry to disillusion you chaps, but if you think about it for maybe 2 minutes, it cannot be done.
    1) Les Routier is one of the biggest unions in Europe, if not the world. No way would they allow this to happen.
    2) There are thousands of Les Routier restaurants in France, which would close down.
    3) There are not enough parking spaces to accommodate HGVs overnight on the autoroute now.
    4) Convoi Exceptionel (wide loads) are not allowed on the autoroute, so have to use the RN.
    5) Wide loads cannot get through the paeage.
    6) The autoroute is privately owned, not government, so any monies would not go into the government coffers.
    7) Nothing of this has been posted on any of the European forums, other than a few RNs have had weight restrictions put on them. Am sure something would have been posted regarding any laws of this magnitude.
     
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  12. Frentchy

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    Convoi exceptionels, If they have a height problem do what they always do, "notify the authorities in each region they intend traveling through and use Pilot vehicles. Those that are under the restricted height limit will have to use the Autoroute, they have been altering the peages to accommodate them.
    We are local and on Aquitaine 33 plates so we wont be bothered much when we are Humping our stuff around locally.


    Snowbird Sorry to disillusion you chaps, but if you think about it for maybe 2 minutes, it cannot be done.
    1) Les Routier is one of the biggest unions in Europe, if not the world. No way would they allow this to happen.
    2) There are thousands of Les Routier restaurants in France, which would close down.
    3) There are not enough parking spaces to accommodate HGVs overnight on the autoroute now.
    4) Convoi Exceptionel (wide loads) are not allowed on the autoroute, so have to use the RN.
    5) Wide loads cannot get through the paeage.
    6) The autoroute is privately owned, not government, so any monies would not go into the government coffers.
    7) Nothing of this has been posted on any of the European forums, other than a few RNs have had weight restrictions put on them. Am sure something would have been posted regarding any laws of this magnitude. Today 13:47



    It has already started!! there hasnt been a HGV past my place (except local) for over a month. Thats not a DELUSION and Iv lived and run a businesses here for the last 30 years.
     
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    Depends on your van. I find the N roads much more economical on fuel, as the most economical speed for my motorhome is 30-40mph owing to its brick like shape.
    Also the N roads are usually a shorter route and they have more interest, and in addition the aires (you can stay at) are usually on the less major roads so somewhere to stop too. If that wasn't enough, no tolls either.
     
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    Personally I always preferred the Route Nationales..more to see better/more stopping places and above all FREE..:Cool:
     
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    As I thought. Not all the RN network. Mainly those that have always had weight restrictions. This is taken from the European road hauliers bible and updated on a daily basis. http://trafficban.com/country.france.moreinfo.56.en.html

    PERMANENT TRAFFIC BANS

    For safety reasons there is heavy goods vehicles traffic ban in parts of national road network in France. Below there are specified main routes under the restriction issued by the Prefect for heavy goods vehicles of over 7.5t MPW (or of another specified weight).
    Restrictions concerning collective transport of people are also given (the list is not exhaustive).

    Île-de-France Region

    motorway tunnel A14 under La Défense

    East Region
    - state road N59 between Lunéville (54) and Sélestat (67) traffic ban of all vehicles in transit of over 3.5t total weight
    - state road N66
    -> traffic ban of vehicles of over 3.5t total weight between Remiremont (88) and Cernay (68),
    -> traffic ban of vehicles or combined transport of 19t MPW, from 06:00 to 22:00 whose loading or unloading point is situated in Alsace or Lorraine

    North Region
    A22 motorway (12 km), state road N356 (5 km), state road N227 (3-4 km) traffic ban of vehicles in transit of over 3.5t total weight heading for the exit of A1 motorway in the South – North direction.

    Vehicles in transit are vehicles coming from A1 motorway southbound from interchange No. 20 (Faches-Thumesnil), heading for Belgium, which between the interchange of A14 and A17 motorways in Belgium (interchange in Aalbeke) do not load or unload, stop at their company’s premises or undergo customs control.
    These vehicles are directed from A1 motorway (Paris) onto the route in the direction of Belgium by the common section of A22 (PR 0 – 2) motorway, and further A27 motorway to Belgium.

    South Region
    - A557 motorway: traffic ban for vehicles of over 3.5t MPW from Arenc exit (13) and Les Ports, in the direction from A7 to A55.
    - A55 motorway (4km): traffic ban for vehicles of over 3.5t MPW in Marseille (13) between the interchange in Vieux Port and the interchange in Cap Pinède.
    - Connection between the A50 (Toulon est/east) and A57 (Toulon ouest/west) motorways. Traffic ban in the tunnel in Toulon (83) for vehicles of over 19t MPW transporting goods and for coaches in the direction of Marseille.
    - A8 motorway. Round-the-clock ban of transporting ethylene oxide on the section of A8 motorway between toll point in Antibes and the Italian border, except for exceptional exclusions due to force majeure. In case of such transports the sea route Lavera – Tavazzano is recommended.
    - State road N7
    ->traffic ban for vehicles of over 6t MPW on transit route through Orange agglomeration (84), between junction with RD976 and junction with RD950;
    ->traffic ban for vehicles of over 16t MPW on transit route through Mondragon agglomeration (84).
    - State road N85: traffic ban for vehicles or loaded combination vehicles of over 26t MPW, not equipped in cruise controls, on the borders of departments 38 / 05 and Gap.
    - State road N580: traffic ban for vehicles of over 25t MPW in Avignon (84), between Pont de l’Europe Bridge and Quai Saint-Lazare.
    - State road N94
    ->Montgenèvre Pass (05) (9 km): traffic ban for vehicles or loaded combination vehicles of over 26t MPW;
    ->traffic ban for vehicles or loaded combination vehicles of over 26t MPW, not equipped in cruise controls, from southern Embruns roundabout (05) to the border with Italy.


    South-east region

    - A7 and A6 highways (25km): traffic ban between Ternay (69) and Anse (69).
    - A40 highway: traffic ban in Mont-Blanc tunnel concerning vehicles transporting dangerous goods.
    - A43 highway: traffic ban in Fréjus tunnel concerning vehicles transporting Class 1 dangerous goods and different classes, depending on the kind of their packaging.
    - A47 highway: traffic ban on the junction connecting A47 motorway (east-west direction) and A7 motorway in the direction of Lyon city centre / interchange in Ternay (69).
    - N7 state road: traffic ban for vehicles of over 6t MPW from 22:00 to 06:00 in Tain l’Hermitage (26).
    - N7 state road: traffic ban for vehicles of over 3.5t MPW between Vienne (38) and Péage de Roussillon in the north-south direction.
    - N82 state road: traffic ban for vehicles transporting goods in the direction from RD56 to Balbigny (42).
    - N85 state road Laffrey exit: traffic ban for vehicles of over 7.5t MPW and public transport vehicles.
    - N122 state road: traffic ban for public transport vehicles or loaded combination vehicles of over 4t MPW, not equipped in retarders, except for Bassin d’Aurillac district (15).
    - North part of Lyon ring road (69): traffic ban for vehicles of over 3.5m height.
    - Fourviére tunnel (69): traffic ban for vehicles of over 7.5t MPW and of over 4.5m height.
     
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    :Eeek::Eeek::Eeek: Think first ??? :Doh: And how do you think we've learnt all about strikes? The pleasure to moan for nothing and everything?.... This is all about culture! You can't understand this:Laughing::Laughing:

    Frankie:BigGrin:
     
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    We knew how to strike.
    We had a thriving car industry and coal mines but we knew how to strike, oh yes.
    We weren't as refined as the French at striking and winning though.:Sad:
     
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