MOTORHOME owners have returned to a Lincolnshire car park which had its height restri

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  1. ShiftZZ

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    MOTORHOME owners have returned to a Lincolnshire car park which had its height restriction barrier torn down.

    Moggs Eye car park, between Anderby Creek and Sandilands, had its barrier forcefully removed during the weekend of September 21 and 22 for the second time in a few weeks.

    Lincolnshire County Council recently installed barriers at various coastal car parks to prevent camper vans and motor homes from staying overnight.

    On Sunday, local people reported seeing a group of motorhome owners gather in support of the last remaining vehicles to leave the neighbouring Huttoft car terrace where similar gates were recently erected.

    Bob Palmer, from Nottinghamshire, is the owner of one of the motorhomes parked in Moggs Eye car park.

    He said: "We are the salt of the country and this is one step too far.

    "Not one official has come to speak to us - we want a full debate with a local councillor.

    "We are not going away – we will be a thorn in their side."

    Paul Marriott, a businessman from Spalding, said there was no evidence to suggest motorhome owners were responsible for the littering and damage to local amenities that had prompted a spate of complaints from local residents.

    "Those people should have been policed and moved on, we are not just tinkers, vagabonds – we are genuine people.

    "Unfortunately we are all being tarnished with the same brush.'

    Other motorhome owners labelled the council's tactics as discriminatory and pointed to countries such as France, where motorhome-only sites provide access to local amenities and limit the duration of each stay, as a possible source of less contentious measures.

    Some, such as Steve Darker, from Sheffield, say they are providing a vital contribution to the local economy.

    He said: "We go shopping, we buy fish and chips, we spend our money here."

    His wife, Sue Darker, suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and claims the barriers restrict her access to the beach.

    "I have written to the council to ask for disabled access - we cannot park miles away and walk to the beach," she said.

    Councillor Colin Davie, executive member for the environment at Lincolnshire County Council reiterated that the council would continue to use preventive measures to stop overnight use of the car parks and condemned the damage to the Moggs Eye barrier.

    He said: "This is criminal damage, the actions of a minority group of people.

    "The public want us to look after this site for the majority to enjoy - those who are still there will be removed."

    "There are plenty of facilities for motorhome owners to stay in which support the local community

    "These people are spoiling it for everyone because of their errant behaviour."

    Reports from local residents suggest the barrier at Moggs Eye was later found metres away in the sea.

    The police are investigating.

    http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk...tory-19873685-detail/story.html#axzz2grVTvddq
     
  2. Yellow belly

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    While I don't agree with height restrictions in this country I don't see how anyone can agree with the criminal damage to them.
    I am sure these motorhomers would be up in arms if someone had damaged their vehicles .
    James
     
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    I had just been reading on the wild camping forum about some of them using huttoft and the other areas for wild camping and stopping their for upto 2 weeks at at time with up to 30 vans and 2 caravans, now that's just taking the piss and no wonder the locals have complained, I live in the area and my council tax goes to the same council who have erected these barriers,
    It just a small minority that spoil it for the many
     
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    "There are plenty of facilities for motorhome owners to stay in which support the local community


    official camp site's....one or two possibly owned by local councillors :RollEyes:

    seems to ring a bell. :Angry:
     
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    There are plenty of ways to prevent overnight parking other than height barriers that prevent any type of parking for many motorhomers.

    However criminal damage and removal of barriers is not the way forward and at the end of the day its the people living in that area, that end up paying the cost of the criminal damage through their council tax payments.
     
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    We were very disappointed that we could not enjoy the sections of the coast when we visited last week due to the height barriers. We stay on sites and shop in the areas but could not find anywhere to take Amanda to have a paddle in the sea as you know Amanda has some mobility problems and to walk through sand dunes and such made it impossible. May have to re think that part of the east coast in future, if the councils are not going to listen
    and tarnish genuine visitors with motorhomes to their area.
    :Angry::Angry::Angry::Angry:
     
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    Just as a comment from a yellow belly....

    Lincolnshire County Council will listen to nobody....they are so far up themselves they need a telescope to see the sunshine that their mothers once thought they had shining from a certain orifice....:Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    When will these people learn that if you hit somebody they hit you back rather than give in? Criminal damage will only harden the attitudes of the Lincolnshire councillors.

    Over the last 5 or 6 weeks I've been in touch with something around 300 councils which did not publish motorhome parking information, encouraging them to do so on their web sites to make it easier for people to know where they can park (in the daytime at least).

    Several councils have commented that, quietly and without fuss, they are actually looking at introducing overnight stopovers, putting together evidence of benefits and anticipating how to overcome potential problems/objections. As a result I have started providing information supporting the creation of stopovers, again quietly and without fuss.

    As one said yesterday "The Council is aware of the importance of such vehicles and as a consequence is currently considering possibilities for making arrangements for motorhome stop overs in the District. It is regrettable but this matter has proved controversial and at times complex due to local concerns.".

    What is likely to happen as a result of the criminal damage and selfishness of a few people is that those against stopovers in other areas will use the adverse publicity to reinforce those concerns and knock potential schemes on the head before they get going - and what will happen then is that those same selfish p*ll*cks will whinge about it without even having the gumption to realise that it is their activity which is the cause.

    I despair sometimes. It really makes me want to just pack in anything other than simply enjoying our van :Angry:
     
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    So I take it that you did not vote for them?
     
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    And I am sure Councils will use just this argument to oppose any motorhomes visiting their towns, when in effect they should look at why this is happening and think of ways to promote themselves and encourage tourism.

    GJH also wrote.." When will these people learn that if you hit somebody they hit you back rather than give in? Criminal damage will only harden the attitudes of the Lincolnshire councillors"

    While I wholeheartedly oppose almost any forms of criminal damage to make a point, the local Council isn't the Mafia. When people do things like this it is out of frustration and the Council should be thinking why this is happening and look at the wider picture.

    On a good note, I just read that Canterbury City Council have opened up another overnight stop for motorhomes with designated parking and access to fresh water. ( no emptying facilities though as yet.)
    An excellent example of forward thinking and one that makes me feel proud that I used to work alongside some of the people who are making these decisions.

    So, other Councils ( Lincolnshire springs to mind) should be thinking how they can follow Canterbury's example, not how they can discriminate against an ever growing section of the population looking for somewhere to spend their disposable income.

    Now, off soap box, wheres the red wine.....:wine:

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    The point is that councils do look at the wider picture. They look at what is happening and see a number of motorhomers abusing facilities, which are there for everyone, to the extent that other people can't use them. They lump all motorhomers together because nobody amongst the people using those facilities has gone to them to paint a different picture.

    Nobody amongst those motorhomers has gone to the council and suggested creating a stopover alongside, or as part of, the existing facility. Instead they have completely ignored the intentions of the council in creating the facility and simply taken what they want. The wider picture this presents to councils is that motorhomers who don't use caravan sites are people who just want something for nothing - because the people they see are all taking something for nothing.

    It is no good people expecting just to be given what they want if they won't put any effort into explaining to those with the power of provision what it is they want. As I said the other day, just like the people who saved the canal network, those who want stopovers need to put in the effort to help create them, not just expect to be handed everything on a plate.

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    As I've pointed out several times, Canterbury is in a special position being on the route to/from the channel ports - a position few, if any, other English towns/cities enjoy.
     
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    And the main reason Canterbury created the first UK Aire and recently a new stopover site right in the City Centre, was because of the amount of motorhomes, both Foreign and UK, passing through and stopping in the City, threatening to clog up the already narrow and busy roads.

    The Council didn't receive letters and pleas from Motorhome owners asking for a stopover, they saw the issue, realised that it could get out of hand if they didnt do something, and created designated parking for motorhomes.
    Much like the rest of Europe have done.

    If only Councils in the rest of the UK could realise that their only role in life is to serve the people who vote for them

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    Exactly. Other places in the UK do not have that transit demand so that issue does not apply to them. As the issue does not apply and demand has to be expressed in other ways.

    Which is exactly what Lincolnshire County Council is doing. The story of these car parks has been played out in the local press - and highlighted here and on other forums - for months now. Lincolnshire County Council has received complaints from local people - the people who vote for them - that they can't use the places because they are clogged up with motorhomers and caravanners on extended stays.

    Signs banning caravans and overnighting haven't worked so they have reacted by using barriers to ensure that the people who vote for them can be served in future.
     
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    Nope :thumb:
     
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    Looks like they may close some of the local libraries also...
     
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    I've got to ask, do we need libraries in the internet age ?

    I've not been in one for 20 odd years.
     
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    Of course if local councils took the issue seriously and provided some hard standing not necessarily free, there may not be quite so many motorhomes visiting France, Germany and Spain.
    We would certainly enjoy our own country more, the prices many UK sites want is just off putting in the extreme so we spend our money where we get best value.
     
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    Do you work for Lincs CC?:RollEyes:

    With their ( the Councils) attitude, then I am not surprised they have this problem. They appear to me to be the direct cause of it.
    Providing specific parking for motorhomes would allow them to put height barriers and signs everywhere else they do not want motorhomes ( again, surprisingly, just like the rest of Europe).

    Geographical location has nothing at all to do with this problem. Its the amount of motorhomes visiting the locale, for whatever reason, that should be the catalyst to Councils acting responsibly and doing something positive to welcome its visitors.
    Tintagel in Cornwall has a Licenced Motorhome stopover point ( Aire) and so has Oxford. Far away from any cross channel ferries. What about the aires in Scotland, again, none near ferry terminals.

    But, it seems, apart from the Brit Stops network and a few other enterprising companies and individuals, not many people in the UK like Motorhomers who decide not to stay on a campsite. I often wonder why foreigners come here. Nowhere to stay, unless you book well in advance in the summer and no where to shop with height barriers and signs everywhere.

    :hardhat:

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    Skegness barriers

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    Its my belief that after all the trouble with travellers this summer all the carparks and laybys have had barriers erected to keep travellers out,long stay motor homers have just added to the problems, some of the locals wanting to park have complained about motorhomes parking longways along the seafront and depriving them of a view of the sea.
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