Mot news Update

Discussion in 'Tech/Mech General' started by Geo, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. Geo

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    I posted a couple of days ago about a forthcoming mot seminar

    I hinted at the possibility of Pan European MoT Tests and or Certificates.

    2015 And beyond

    Well the story goes on, It would seem that all member nations have different mot standards and practices, and not much is going to happen untill all members agree a format, that in itself is going to be some achievment, to help us on our way The EU is sending out what appear insignificant directives to all member states
    dictating what must happen during a test, eventualy Eu directives will be in place setting out all that should happen.
    Our Boys at VOSA are realy not too best pleased with this system as there is little in the way of dialog, ther is some but not enough with guys on the ground

    The directives are issued and VOSA has to make them work,
    It will be at least 2015 andpossibly later before a workable Pan European MOT scheme will be in place, The the plan is there and it seem The EU are hell bent on pushing it though despite obsticales. The Dutch and Spnish are as we speak taking part in tests whereby a number of Duch vehicles have been tested and the results logged
    These vehicles are being re tested in Spain and the results cross checked for acuracy, if all goes well then that wil be a possitive step in the right direction.

    Jan 1st 2012

    Will see a number of extras added to our MoT check list
    dash board safety warning lamps, seat belt ,MiL, ABS, SRS,Steering control, brake fluid lights,etc if illuminated will Fail the Mot
    These could be very expenive repairs.

    Cat converers mut be in place for vehicle that have them, even if you can still pass the emissions without one, removal is a failure.

    Electrical wireing inspection, unclipped or chafing lppms will be a fail item.

    Tow bar electrics will be tested for correct function on 2008 and newer vehicles

    Tougher brake test limits for 2008 and newer vehicles

    Rear brake imbalnce is now a fail item, fronts always have been

    ALL cv boots will now be inspected ie inner and outer front and rear (Only front outers are testable at the moment)

    All rubber dust covers on ball joints, drag links, track rod ends, will be a fail item if split (only an advise at the moment) you cant just buy the boots:Doh:
    I see some hefty bills in this dept
    (example steering drag link typical 4 x 4 £100 - £150 for a rubber boot:Eeek:)
    All doors must now open from inside as well as out (only front doors tested at the moment)

    Hid Headlights must be fitted with self leveling suspension system OR washer and wiper system, Dont panick (nobody else understood that one either)

    Thats it for now any question fire away
    Geo
     
  2. wasp

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    [QUOTE=Geo

    Jan 1st 2012

    Will see a number of extras added to our MoT check list
    dash board safety warning lamps, seat belt ,MiL, ABS, SRS,Steering control, brake fluid lights,etc if illuminated will Fail the Mot
    These could be very expenive repairs.


    Hi George I noticed MiL on the list why would she have anything to do with the MoT????? hehehe just a thought
     
  3. trevosky

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    Here in spain the dashboard warning light has recently come into force but one of the worst things is what they call the fisha techknical and that is the paperwork that states the details of your vehicle.I at present run a renualt kangoo mpv at ten years old this has to have itv (mot) every 6 months and the fisha tech states everything your vehicle should have,if you have a towbar fitted it has to go back have itv and registerd on fisha,my kangoo has an almost obselete tyre size fitted so absolute fortune 4 new tyres, for last 6 years the light that indicates eleci fault has been on ,goes off at higher end of revs but not certain whether will go through this time and tired of six monthly checks (now 13 years old) so changing car quick.
    When i changed my old Hymer to Spanish plates engineer did report fot itv including the add on IE awning,i have since added a bike rack but this will be removed before itv as not registerd and fitted again after,problem being this could in event of accident invalidate my insurance,one of our work vehicles had ruuning boards fitted (never registerd) and passed for first 5 years and then noticed and failed. Typical Spain make nothing easy:good luck to you all in UK if it becomes like spain.
    All the best Trev:Doh:
     
  4. G4GMO

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    Excuse my ignorance but what are MIL and lppms? The wiring in the cab is a bit of a rats nest does this mean I'm going to have to tidy it up? It's safe enough now but..... :Confused:
     
  5. moandick

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    hi Jon - I think in this case - MiL stands for Mother - in - Law. :Doh:

    Lppms is a bit technical but it is considered generally to be a problem with Geo's typing finger - should read 'Looms', methinks
     
  6. robnchris

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    brakes

    Brakes arghh what brakes, when we bought our motorhome an Autotrail Cheyenne on a Merc sprinter base I asked about the brakes saying they seem rather slow in stopping the truck.
    They fitted new pads and after the initial bedding in I didn`t think there was much difference, took it for a service and mot at a commercial van centre and they said eveything ok, when I mentioned the brakes they guy said it`s just Merc Sprinters they have what we call progressive brakes...

    I guess I`m just used to the brakes on the car, but I always feel I`m planning ahead when braking in the motorhome...
     
  7. American Dream

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    And we know EXACTLY where this is going.....

    They have been trying for many years to get the owner and enthusiasts of older and classic vehicles off the road....

    It also adds to boost the sales of new vehicles and garage profits for extra maintenance.

    It also increases the cost of installing new equipment at the testing centres and the instruction of operatives to use such equipment.

    At the end of all this, the only people that'll end up paying for this are you and me...

    I am all for the safety and integrity of all vehicles on a Public Highway for everyone's safety.

    Remember the Classic Vehicle tax where once a vehicle became over a certain age it became Tax exempt.....?

    Even more nails in the coffin now unless there are exemptions in place for "older" vehicles?

    I see these were mentioned...

    Remember the Classic Vehicle tax where once a vehicle became over a certain age it became Tax exempt.....?This was on a rolling basis until it was stopped???

    It's cunning the way these laws are slipped in without any consultation of the masses.I guess it was seen as a way of EVADING one of the many taxes the population of this country are now subject to...

    Compliance for a modern roadworthy vehicle is one thing but there are many "older" vehicles without abs and all round disc brakes that will be marginal or possibly fail if today's regs apply and yet test well within tolerance for the regs they were built to comply with.

    There will be arguments for and against these comments but these are my feelings on this over-legislation society we now live in.

    I was following a van of not to old an age the other day with such bad body rot and non-functional lighting and it was on the road.

    Am I to assume this vehicle was illegally driven and, if so, who is "Policing" and enforcing the condition of such vehicles on our roads?:RollEyes:

    Any comments on how the Regs apply to these?
     
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  8. G4GMO

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    I haven't strapped mine as a mascot to the front of vehicle yet. Is this a prerequisite for the MOT? :Rofl1:
     
  9. Dodgey

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    Americandream, my thoughts too, 'they' just don't understand, nor want too, the enthusiast, or have any thought for the industry that supports the enthusiast.

    In time I can see many vehicles coming off the road and being worthless, well apart from scrap value, simply because it's imposible to comply with one reg or another.


    Better enjoy these vehicles while we can:Angry:
     
  10. moandick

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    I think you are supposed to stand her on the bonnet - but only if she resembles the Rolls Royce Silver Lady :thumb:

    In my case - I sit her on the front of the roof rack, she likes a bit of fresh air and to see all that's going on around her.

    Bit like Michelin 'Mum', really! :Rofl1:
     
  11. hilldweller

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    Although you can't argue with that from a safety point of view I can't help wondering how much pressure was applied by the manufacturers to ratchet up the tests so old cars get scrapped sooner to deliberately reduce their life.

    And how much from money grabbing scumbag MOT testers out to double their profit per sale.
     
  12. American Dream

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    Some MOT Testers are very unscrupulous IMHO and I tend to avoid them.

    Others are made to comply to the Regs or risk/lose their licence to test vehicles.

    Between a Rock and a Hard Place in my opinion.

    We all have a choice....I choose to go with Solid and Fair MOT Testers even if they do fail initially.

    Better to know what failed or was advised than just go with them and pay through the nose by having the work done with them.

    We all have a choice who does the repairs.I tend to check out the garage first.

    There are so few out there now who know how the the "OLD" technology works and can diagnose issues.A lot of them just rely on plugging in a diagnostics machine and letting that pinpoint the problem..:Rofl1:This is an issue that can only get worse as engines become sealed blocks that can't be worked upon except by specialists with the right diagnostic equipment.

    My LOTUS does not have one...Does that make it un-MOTable?:RollEyes:

    My last fail on the RV was because the Horn made the wrong noise...There were 2 new tyres in the RV that I requested them to change as I was aware they were getting to the point of being on-the-limit. They said they would do it but couldn't be bothered...and gave me an advisory for them.

    I know where I won't be going again.

    OK I accept that under current MOT regs the horn is unusual but it is loud and monotone and will certainly let other users know I'm there...I have now fitted a "compliant" one. Nowhere hear as loud but "compliant"

    But does that affect vehicle safety?I can't remember the last time I used it apart from per MOT and on the driver Pre-run checks.
     
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  13. madbluemad

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    Hi Geo, thanks for the info.

    I have a rear fog lamp switch which was fitted in the UK, it is illuminated when the lamp is switched on. This is a legal requirement at the moment. Is this considered to be a dashboard warning light as it would then be a failure under the new regs.

    Thanks
    Jim
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  14. Larrynwin

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    Its frightening where this EU dictatorship is taking us continuous regulation for regulations sake just to justify their existence :Doh: a bloody nightmare :Eeek:
     
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    That of course was a joke Geo would have spotted immediately.
     
  16. dazzer

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    Hi Geo.

    Can you clarify the dashboard lights thing for me please :BigGrin:

    At the moment ive got the following light on on the van (Vauxhall Vivaro)

    Alarm light (goes on and off at will!!!)
    Engine management light (telling me there is a fault with the heater coils/cold start system even though they have been replaced and the thing starts without problems even at -12 degrees!!)
    Cold start system warning light (see above)
    Airbag warning light (has a mind of its own and goes out when the moon is in alignment with Mars and Jupiter!!)

    All of the above lights have been reset over the years on numerous occasions but after a few days they come back on again so ive given up with them.

    Would any of them be a failure??

    Cheers :thumb::thumb:
     
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    You said it and this MOT bit is just a tiny fraction of what they are doing. The Gestapo were clumsy amateurs compared to the new generation.


    PS I got a nasty reprimand on The Dark Side for saying their moderators used Gestapo tactics, censoring and removing messages :Laughing:
     
  18. Larrynwin

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    We will soon learn what it would have been like if the result of ww2 were different :Eeek:
    glad I'm too old for it to have too much impact on me :Sad:
     
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    But what about our children, grandchildren ? At least there is now little chance of European war for them.
     
  20. madbluemad

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    If and I stress if we could get a suitable and fair MOT across the board in Europe I for one would rate it as a good thing, however, If it happens I'm a Chinaman.

    As far as EU directives are concerned, we've had a boat load of them through related to work over the last few years. They are a serious pain in the bum and are costly to apply, just what British business need right now.

    Virtually all of the old British Standards are obsolete being replaced by ISO & EN Specifications and Codes. These documents are written in a different style of language to the old British Standards and instead of just having to read one specification there is always a reference to another specification that has to be read to make sense of the initial one.

    Again very poor. We tend to go out of our way to use American Codes and Standards whenever we can, however, because of the disparities between the legislative requirements and America and European requirements its very difficult.

    I hope the people who voted for us to become involved with all this nonsense take note.
    Jim
     
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