Morrisons and LPG

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  1. mentaliss

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    Anyone seen the 'MMM' article about Morrisons refusal to sell LPG to motorhomers, caravaners etc, they will only sell as transport fuel.... I believe they have misinterpreted the French directives regarding filling LPG gas bottles:Eek!:
     
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    I read that as well. Wonder what they would say if you showed them the certificate of compliance from Gas-It?

    And if it's for domestic heating / cooking could you insist on the 5% VAT rate?????
     
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  3. Techno

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    Lots of alternatives sod them muppets
    Asda 64.7
    Shell I've seen at 64.9
    Flo gas at 58.8
     
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    I wonder if Morrisons "muppets" have imposed a blanket ban on selling road fuel for any other use, or are they trying to stump the muppets who insist on filling calor bottles using a mickey mouse pigtail from fleabay?

    Just a thought.
     
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    I know petrol station staff are not rocket scientists but I always fill the LPG through my skirt mounted fill point BEFORE filling with diesel just in case they have a few brain cells :thumb:

    Of course if Ken Morrison came over and asked me if I was filling for propulsion I would of course say yes mate :thumb:

    EDIT I've met Ken BTW LOL
     
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  6. dave newell lvs

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    Why use a petrol station of any brand? I use our local LPG bulk supplier who have an Autogas pump in their yard. As they sell LPG for domestic fuel they are already setup to charge the correct VAT rates, in fact if you tell them its for domestic fuel they only charge 5% VAT and don't include the road fuel duty either.

    D.
     
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  7. Techno

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    Because Dave it is false economy to travel out of your way to save 75% of the 20% which might be how much ?
     
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    camper van driver who was engulfed in flames filling up LPG bottle

    Maybe the reason for the Morrison's ban ?

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/eccles-morrisons-camper-van-lpg-7154852

    The driver, a man in his 60s, was using the LPG pump at Morrison's in Eccles to refill a bottle on his vehicle when it caught fire

    A have-a-go granny and her hero son leapt to the rescue of a driver who became engulfed in flames at a petrol station.

    The 60-year-old man was using Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG) from a pump at a Morrison's in Eccles to refill a bottle in a compartment on the side of his vehicle - to use in his cooker - when it caught fire.

    The blaze, thought to have been sparked by the hot weather as he filled up for a three-month trip to Dorset, then spread to his hands.

    With his terrified wife and two dogs in the vehicle, who were ‘singed’ by the flames, he frantically tried to battle the fire with pillows.

    But they grew stronger and the driver, understood to suffer from emphysema and heart problems, was in serious danger.

    Luckily, Edith Ellison, 64, and her son Neil, 42, were on the forecourt.
     
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    Maybe the muppets should just ban the muppets rather than tarring us all
     
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    The problem is maybe the Muppets aren't readily identifiable until they go bang or they kill someone?
     
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    Why would it go on fire? Is this safe?. Was planning on taking our van to autogas to have an undertank fitted now this scares me.
     
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    Why were his hands on fire?? That sounds more like petrol, not LPG.

    Ian
     
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    easy Ian.

    LPG in liquid form takes time to vapourise/evaporate and if the nozzle was incorrectly fitted, or a pipe split, it would spray liquid gas all over the shop....including his hands......and if ignited would continue to burn for some time after the liquid gas flow had been stopped
     
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    Odd story. "Stong smell of petrol" & "hands on fire". Doesn't sound like a liquid gas fire.

    Tim
     
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    Did they ban coaches filling up at Morrisons after THIS?

    Or maybe their LPG pumps are just cr+p..... See HERE

    They don't seem a very safe company, one to be avoided....

    Allan
     
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    Properly fitted with proper filling devices aren't a problem.
    Filling non self fill cylinders with half arsed kit is.
     
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    Thinking about this, there's obviously doubt as to what caused this fire and until there's been enough investigation, a temporary ban by Morrisons on filling cylinders on their forecourts doesn't seem too OTT.

    Heck, if I owned Morrisons that's what I would do until I knew for certain what went wrong.

    Tim
     
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    "Damage Limitations" springs to mind!
     
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    From what little information I've seen on the Internet and in the press Morrisons (and others) will only allow LPG filling via an external fill point. No one can determine from outside the vehicle what it will be used for and it may be mis-reported by the Press that fuel for propulsion is filled via a fill point and fuel for domestic use is from refillable cylinders.

    The gist of Morrisons "ban" is that external fillers are allowed but filling ANY bottle is not. This simplistic instruction to their staff is so that if no bottle can be filled then unsafe bottles with no cut-off cannot be filled. Filling station staff do not, therefore, have to know the difference between the two types of bottle. It would be expensive and unreasonable to have to train them to understand and therefore be able to spot the difference and equally unreasonable for them to be trained to inspect any Certification documents.
     
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    I fitted the gun incorrectly at Morry's at Ipswich once, sprayed lpg out, but it was gone in seconds, if it had sprayed onto my hands I might have got freezer burns papa, but doubt it would have stayed long enough to burn me if it was alight.

    Ian
     
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