MCC Licensing CL's for public use

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  1. Jim

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    Some might recall the thread where I highighted the fact that the MCC appeared to have a dispensation to allow the public to use their CLs, while the rest of us exempted organisations were restricted to licensing sites strictly for our own members.

    This was a disadvantage to MHFun because landowners could make more money if licensed for public use rather than limit themselves to one clubs members. So they would (and did) choose the MCC over us for that very reason.

    It seems the MCC have now been made "aware that this is not acceptable. All exempted organisations holding a para 5 certificate are subject to the members only rule on their certificated sites"

    This appears to be the position of Natural England and IMO it is the correct view to take and is in the spirit of the planning exemptions for club use. However, I would have been happy with either view, as long as we are all treated the same, hopefully from now on we will be.
     
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    That could be interesting, I see the 'Nightstops' in Practical motorhome are run in conjunction with the MCC and you do not need to be a member.
     
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    Interesting indeed, I didn't know that was the case.
     
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    Thanks Jim. As I said on the other thread I, too, wrote to Natural England - but because I received the response whilst away last week I forgot to post an update :Doh:

    I received the same information from Natural England and can see where they are coming from but they did confirm that, to the best of their knowledge, the issue has never been tested in court.

    The ruling definitely does affect the Nightstops as well as the MCC CLs because, in law, they are no different.

    It appears that several outcomes are now possible:
    1. MCC accepts the NE ruling and restricts their CLs and Nightstops to members only.
    2. MCC mounts a legal challenge against the NE ruling.
    3. MCC ignores the NE warning and has their exemption withdrawn (which would not only affect their CLs/Nightstops but also their ability to hold meets/rallies). That would also, presumably, result in a legal challenge by the MCC.

    It will be interesting to see which occurs :Smile:
     
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    Jim - I have just sent you a PM with actual text.
     
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    I didn't know the MCC had any camp sites? Thought they just held cricket matches!


    I'll get me coat :Smile:
     
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    of course they do......lovely big and level fields when they aint playing cricket on them. :thumb:
     
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    If that is so then your meddling has effectively shut not only my site but hundreds of others, well done, very public spirited.:Sad: Price will have to go up now for future rallies to cover the shortfall. Funsters lose out as well.
     
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  9. Jim

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    Who knows what the MCC will do, they have a number of options outlined by Graham above. There are thousands of CLs that operate for one club and they are open, why should you be any different.:Doh: There is no reason why the MCC should be treated differently to the rest of us. If you consider my complaining about that injustice as 'meddling' then that's up to you, I certainly don't think so.
     
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    Aren't we lucky !!

    Good ole James !! :Blush: Any other forum administrator (aka Hitler) would be posting banning notices all over the shop by now !!:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:

    Fun rools....ok !!:Cool::Cool::Cool:
     
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    What or who is the MCC then?
     
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    MCC is the Motor Caravanners Club.
     
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    Also Marelybone Cricket Club :Rofl1:
     
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    MCC is the Motor Caravan Club.

    Caravan Club CL's have ALWAYS been members only, as are C&CC CS's as far as we know.

    Why should any other club operate under different rules when it's the same people issuing the exemption certificates? Rules are sposed to be applied the same to everyone, surely?

    Everybody gets the same interpretation and unless you can show there are special circumstances that the certificate issuer agreed to when they granted the licence, how is there a legal challenge?
     
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    Thanks for that :Smile: Never heard of em!
    Just had a look at their website, nice :Eek!:
     
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    Hundreds Roger? The MCC web site lists 72 CLs and 31 Nightstops.

    I would hardly call it meddling by Jim. A very similar question was raised on the CC's own forum in February and has run to 640 posts. My own contact with Natural England indicates that they were taking action against the MCC well before the other thread opened on here a couple of weeks ago.

    Like any other legislation the 1960 Act should apply equally to all and should be obeyed equally by all. The problem is that the wording regarding CLs is ambiguous. As I stated on the other thread, my interpretation is the same as the MCC's appears to be but Natural England disagree. Both interpretations could be argued in court but it is only the court which can make a definitive decision if the MCC does not do as NE want.

    EDIT. The other aspect is that if the MCC are issuing certificates other than in accordance with the Act then all the CL sites are operating without either licence or valid certificate and, potentially, could have action taken against them. It is, therefore, in the interests of the CL owners for the legal position to be clarified.
     
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    Thanks for the link, I tried to read it but quickly lost the will to live Graham:BigGrin:
     
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    It's for times like this that this forum needs an 'I don't like this' button.
    Really Roger I am very sorry if the outcome of all this means you need to change your use of the field but you should not try to blame others.
     
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    Being an inconsiderate wilder I have little use for any of em :Smile:
     
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    Have found that many CC CL's and CCC CS's are attached to sites or rally fields which are open to everyone
    Stayed on a CC CL on angelsey where it was one "field" split into 3 areas
    CC CL
    CCC CS
    General caravan site
    They have now closed both the CL & CS as they did NOT pay !!!!
     
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