maximum towing weight?

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  1. Welsh girl

    Welsh girl Funster Life Member

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    What do you look out for when deciding which car to buy, our van will tow trailer weight 1250g and the car I am looking at has a kerb weight of 948g and a gross weight of 1340g which is just over the maximum permitted for us to tow but the kerb weight isnt.
    So which weight do we make sure is right?

    We have a choice of

    1. HONDA JAZZ

    2. TOYOTA YARS

    3. VW POLO

    4. NISSA MICRA NEW SHAPE
     
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    I would think that the gross weight is with fuel and 4 in the car. You're never going to tow it like that so I'd say Kerb weight.

    EDIT a bit of googling would make me alter that to
    Kerb weight is with a full tank of fuel and other fluids
    Gross it the maximum weight fully loaded with passengers and or luggage
     
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  3. Phill D

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    there are usually 2 weights used...
    1. the manufactures allowed max tow weight
    2. the max sensible weight to tow witha vehicle ... this is usually 85% of the kerb weight of the vehicle.
     
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    Trish is asking about the weight of the car to be towed
    Not how much she can tow
     
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    sorry :Doh::Doh::Doh::Doh:
     
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    No problem :Laughing: an easy misunderstanding
    I guess the popular question is how much can I tow :thumb:

    AND I assumed TRISH? but probably TEZ LOL Not intentionally sexist :-(
     
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    a case of engage eyes and brain before fingers on keyboard:Rofl1:

    your reply is good advice, use kerb weight as a guide and the max train weight of the vehicle and your licence of course..:thumb:
     
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    It me typing but Tez wants to know also :Smile:

    We both have grandad licences :)
     
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    like any trailer it is the designed maximum weight (GVW) which counts....even if towing unladen.

    VOSA will look at the trailer/toad vin plate to ascertain the weight.

    my old Vauxhall corsa had a kerb weight of just 680kg but the laden (gross) weight was 1160kg.

    my 3500kg trailer had a kerb of just 650kg but a gross of 3500kg, obviously.
     
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  11. Welsh girl

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    This is what I copied from the specs of the MH.

    Swift Voyager 695 EL 2.3L specs

    MTPLM.4005kg


    maximum trailer weight 1250kg


    gross train weight 6505kg

    So which one do we go for?
     
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    the van converter will have reduced the train weight to their specification and the lower limit must be used.

    my Kontiki had an original (Fiat) tow limit of 2000kg, this was downrated to 1750kg by Alko/swift.
     
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    You need to ascertain trailer weight before deciding on the car weight as this will have to be deducted to give your car weight.

    If using an A-Frame, you can increase the car weight, but you will have the usual a-frame related draw backs.

    Ideal situation on a trailer will be a smart/smart trailer.
     
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    which reminds me

    PLUG............

    My 2000 kgs trailer is for sale by the way.. from the 24th June.... Brian James A MAX with all the goodies.. i.e winch, Battery box, tool box, long ramps, kick down steadies and heavy duty jockey wheel and wheel stops..full deck... nose cone lock, set of tyre strap downs, locking studs and a security bar for the wheel.. includes new spare.. tyres as new as is the trailer.... about year old.... current price with VAT new is over £3k ... mine £1850... all good. p.m. me if anyone is interested.

    Bob
     
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    nice try Bob but if they can only tow 1250kg they would be automatically over weight with your 2000kg plated trailer
     
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    Well got to advertise when I can trying to keep up with JCM

    I have to advertise when I can.. got to keep up with Peter of John's Cross Morothomes... also in Kent.. see even give him a plug:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:

    But if it does not go to one of our members then it will end up on Ebay when we get back from France at the end of ~ June... not it is only doing 130 miles in France - on a camp site which is our base for the duration.

    I agree not what you might put behind the smaller European motorhome, but certainly ideal for the +3,500 kgs type of an RV...

    Bob:Blush:
     
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    Its correct that VOSA will only take notice of the paltes on vehicles. In the case of a MH, he will look at the plate, then he will go to the trailer, then he will look at the car....if it all tallies up, no problem, but, if for instance, the trailer has no plate, then he can order you to a weighbridge up to five miles away to be weighed.
    Should you be overweight, he will order you to lose the excess wieght, in your case the trailer and car, you will be fined and depending on the day/vosa man/condition of set up, you may also get some points.

    I have always found, that if the set up LOOKS dodgy, then it probably is, a trailer with half inflated tyres because the car on the back is too heavy, a towcar only doing 35 on a dual carriageway because of a slight incline, or a "twitchy" load and nervous nlooking driver, would all give VOSA reason for suspicion and they could stop you.

    A little tiny bit of googling, will find you a public weighbridge near you, a little bit more googling will find you a private one, at a quarry, transport company etc, where a "drink" will get you weighed. All the weighbridges provide a "ticket", if you get it when you are in "ready to go travelling" condition, ie loaded etc, then you will have true idea of your weight, and PROOF, should you be stopped.
     
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    Overview Vehicle Summary Performance & Economy Dimensions Interior/Exterior Safety
    Height 1465 mm
    Height inclusive roof rails No details available
    Length 3897 mm
    Wheelbase 2460 mm
    Width 1650 mm
    Width including mirrors 1922 mm
    Fuel tank capacity 45 litres
    [HI]Gross vehicle weight 1550 kg[/HI]
    Luggage capacity (seats down) 1030 litres
    Luggage capacity (seats up) 270 litres
    Max loading weight 377 kg
    Max roof load 75 kg
    Max towing weight (braked) 800 kg
    Max towing weight (unbraked) 500 kg
    [HI]Minimum kerb weight 1173 kg[/HI]
    Turning circle (kerb to kerb) 10.6 metre

    so out of this list when I see cars which is the one to make sure is the right weight?

    the kerb weight or the gross weight?

    Just want to make sure that we will not be overweight, we intend to use a aframe not a trailer, dont intend taking it abroad. which I have researched and they are 20k in weight.
     
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    the weight you need to take into account is the gvw.plus 20kg for the aframe. it doesnt really matter if the car is empty ,its the gvw that counts on paper.
    you may never get weighed but could be in trouble just by the weight plates .
    you have to remember a frames etc were originally used for vehicle recovery . that allows all sorts of different rules . at twenty kg what braking system are you using?
     
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    bettwe still Alan.. a nice trailer?

    Alan,

    Yes correct it is the wait that the trailer can carry not the actual trailer weight.. I agree about the A frames... As you know I would.

    But I still have a trailer going begging from the end of June... PLUG...:Rofl1::Rofl1: PLUG


    Bob:Blush:
     
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