LPG V Propane (NOT COSTS THREAD)

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  1. Trikeman

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    Hi All,

    I have been watching with interest the threads about Gas and the alternatives to Calor etc. ,,,,, 'Oh, No says SWMBO, another project'.

    The parts I am interested in is the differences in the gas and install itself.

    a) Is (garage) LPG the same as propane as far as 'the burn' is concerned?
    b) Do the appliances/gauges have to be modified - jets, pressures etc?
    c) Is the mod an insurance 'notafiable alteration'?
    d) Does the LPG system need certification - like a car (ten years ish)?
    e) Is the low temperature use an issue - like Butane v Propane?

    Enough questions for now - I am considering it, but our gas use won't justify the outlay - just yet - but it may do in the future.

    Regards,

    Trikeman. :Wink:
     
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  2. TheBig1

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    Just a basic point though....autogas at petrol stations is a mix of propane and butane but basically the same. butane content is reduced in colder climates to aid gassing below freezing
     
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    a....same stuff

    B...no, runs on same pressure regulator

    C....bottles, no....underslung tank, advisable

    D.....recommended every 10 years but no legal requirement

    E.....forecourt LPG is propane so no low temp problems......unless you plan on a siberia trip.
     
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  4. Richard and Janet Mason

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    Hi, any more advice on this please? Cost of £800 to convert to underslung tank , cheaper to re-fill, frees up a locker on my sub 6m van and I do want to use more as a wild camping van so gas use would be high relatively. Any advice or thoughts much appreciated.

    Thanks, Rick.
     
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    Last item applies in the UK but not everywhere. Varying mixtures in more Southern climes, there was a thread on here over the Winter with someone having problems after returning with 'foreign' LPG
     
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    a) Autogas in the UK it is 100% propane .. abroad it will have some Butane in the mix.. up to 20% . No problems with the 'burn'
    b) No
    c) No
    d) Gaslow advise returning bottles for testing after 10 years. Not a legal requirement but advisable.
    e) Propane can be used down to -40c .. Butane is only good down to about 6c
     
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  7. Richard and Janet Mason

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    LPG from a garage is propane so that's fine.
     
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    Hi Rick.. when I posted I didn't notice this was an old thread and didn't read your question

    I think you answered your own question.. tank is more expensive but frees up a locker.. and your space is at a premium ..

    refillable bottle is about £500 cheaper and is an easy DIY instal..
     
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  9. Richard and Janet Mason

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    Id not feel happy doing the job myself but £500 is a lot!
     
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    Neither did I......old thread, caught again:)
     
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    @Richard-and-Janet-Mason. I was looking at originally going for the Autogas 55 ltr under slung tank for our Rapido A class. I thought it may fit between the under floor storage to the nearside of the under van which is centrally located. Malcolm at Turriff caravans (Autogas installer) had a look when I was getting the VB air assist fitted and thought it would be a tight fit and enquired about if there was a kit available to fit the tank from Autogas. On my model of van the tank needs to be fitted towards the rear of the van and at 49 kgs full this would take away load from the rear garage due to the rear axle weight limit. In the end I went with 2 Gaslow 11kg cylinders which fit in the gas locker and the weight over the front axle remains unchanged. The reason behind going down the refillable route was that we averaged 2 x 6kg Calor bottles every 3-4 days, as we only got the van last November we toured over the winter in Scotland meaning the heating was on 24-7 (Mrs Lorryman is a southern softie from Ulster) along with the fridge on gas. In Scotland we tend to wild camp more than down south, visiting a site every three days or so to empty and refill with fresh water, empty the toilet etc. As we were down South recently we visited a couple of Funsters businesses for tyres (Brian & Jo) and as we were in Somerset took the opportunity to visit vanbitz and get Gaslow fitted by the professionals. So far as the outside temps are fine we have hardly used any gas other than for the fridge, not even filled them up yet after they were filled by Ash at vanbitz. With the Funster discount it worked out for us a couple of hundred pounds cheaper to have the Gaslow fitted instead of the tank as well as the ease to remove them when we upgrade to our next van. HTH
     
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    Thanks for that - funster discount? Is there as gasflow dealer in Derby area do you know?

    I am moving more to re-fillable bottles and not taking as much rubbish with me;-)
     
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    Dave Newell is a member on here and is located in Telford, not that far from you so may be worth dropping him a pm.

    http://davenewell.co.uk/
     
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    Loser x 2 there. More weight of gas to carry and more weight of junk in the free space.
     
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    been quoted £695 for a twin bottle auto changeover system fitted so the fixed tank and extra locker could be the way to go.....
     
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    Why would you need the auto changeover? I may be assuming wrongly that you already have one fitted in your Rapido like the one I have?

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    i do yes - does that save much?
     
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    does the filler fillBOTH bottles?
     
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    I don't have the invoice handy but I think I was about £600 for the above installation with SS hoses including filling of the cylinders at Vanbitz.
     
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    Yes, it fills both cylinders.
     
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