LPG converters

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  1. scousebird

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    Has anyone seen or have converters for Calor bottles that allows you to fill them with LPG at a garage?

    My OH is convinced he's seen them on ebay but now can't find them
     
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    IMO they are playing with a bomb in the wrong hands.

    No 80% fill stop.


    Mel
     
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    Just make sure I am nowhere near when he tries to fill the bottles.To my mind it is just stupid. No 80% cut off.
     
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    yes been using them since the 70,s .pm for an address . there usually are several on ebay . with several adaptors you can fill almost any bottle . its fround upon on forums but its common abroad . mind in some countries its cheaper to get a local bottle .spain is expensive for autogas compared to bottles
     
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    Thanks for the replies, he wasn't sure about the 80% cut off but you have answered one of his queries on the safe (or not) use of them
     
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    fill from empty use weight or litres its easy.
     
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    more and more UK forecourts are refusing to start the pump if they see any attempt to fill a free standing gas bottle.

    Gaslow usually have a remote fill point mounted on the bodywork so would look like it was a fixed/underslung tank.

    As said, there is no automatic shut off valve at 80% full so in theory you could fill to 100% then with a bit of expansion in warm weather you could have liquid gas coming out your cooker burners....can you cook on a two foot high flame that won't turn off. ?.
     
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    pumps shut off at 90% plus you should know what litres to put into an empty bottle . many gas low dont have bulkhead fillers and their 80%shut off valves are prone to not working . some with us in spain had terrible trouble with gaslow bottles . expensive crap i think they are. leaking joints poor quality fixings disgracefull.
     
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    He's decided not to do any further research on them, he wasn't convinced anyway - that's the beauty of being able to ask questions on here, helps make up the mind!
     
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    Ok Alan,

    how many litres to 80% of a 6kg bottle

    How many litres to 80% of a 13kg bottle.
     
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    i would drop one off just for ease
    1kg you say 2litres 80%is dealed with already in the 6kg .
     
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    there is approximately 1.82ltrs of propane to 1kg...therefore...

    6kg bottle = 10.92ltrs

    13kg bottle = 23.66ltrs

    So, buy your figures you are overfilling by 1.08ltr for 6kg and 2.44ltrs for 13kg

    By my reckoning that's around a 10% overfill for 6kg and a 10% for a 13kg.

    To take account of tailings, sediment and water in the repeatedly refilled bottle I would say 10ltrs for 6kg and 22ltrs for 13kg max..
     
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    calor fill to about 90%. very often more .
    you could just put less in . i really dont mind putting a bit more in . having had lpg converted
    vehicles i like the bleed off valve systems . dont get them much now .but have seen many a 80%shut off valve fail . you can tell when the pump noise changes usually when its getting near to stop .
    also having seen bottles overfilled and sat in the sahara desert for days in real hot sun . i,m fairly confident that expansion isnt that much of a problem .
    think it far worse to be trusting in the 80%shut off valve and not be wary of whats going on .
    been pumping lpg for years . at one time i used my american krug hand pump to fill the car from bottles there wasnt any garages with lpg round here.
     
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    Yes I got mine at the motor show
    Very easy AND SAFE to use
    Cost about £30
    Well worth it. Costs less than £18 to fill a 13kg propane bottle paid for its self in just two fills:thumb:

    It has a guide to show how many Lrts/Kg to fill up different size bottles:thumb:

    All uk motor pumps are pressure activated to stop over fill
    So you can not put more than 80% is clicks off at the pump:RollEyes:

    So don't listen to the scare mongers about over fill and bombs :Rofl1:
    Used mine for two years and still saving :thumb:
     
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    I used one for several years before getting the Alugas kit...
    Absolutely NO problems at all.
    As said, I always start with a completely empty bottle and just go my litres.

    As a matter of interest, all the cars and vans I have worked on running on LPG seem to rely on the pump shut off.. Certainly nowt special in the tanks other than a one way valve.
    Open the tap, fill the bottle, close the tap disconnect the filling pipe.. job done
     
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    from calor gas website....


    How full is a Calor gas cylinder in a full condition, in percentage terms?

    All cylinders are 80-87% full as space needs to be left for the expansion of liquid. The weight on the front of the cylinder is the total weight of gas in the bottle.
     
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    they all have an 80% fill valve John....afaik, by law.

    When the pump stops it means the 80% valve has closed.

    I have three tanks totalling 195ltrs water capacity....meaning they will hold that quantity of water at 100% full....yet only take 135ltrs of lpg.
    One tank valve is faulty and closes to soon as it should be 156ltrs to 80%.
     
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    so .3%.let me off .ha ha
    but they do fill my big tank at home with more . but anyway . i did say i drop one litre on the amount so let me off . please .
    or i,ll kick your scooter next time i see it . hee hee.
    now have a flogas station at the end of my road . they do 19kg bottles that are only 2 quid dearer than filling with autogas so i dont bother . mind handy if abroad just to top up if i weigh the bottle .
    last winter i took a 19kg bottle and my spanish bottle . only used the uk inbetween exchanging the spanish .used 4 spanish and came home with 10 litres of gas in the uk bottle .
    if going morocco i take a maroc bottle in stead of the uk . got three full maroc bottles here . ready for me and friends to use. they live in their vans i,m store keeper.
    pappa my tank at home as a bleed off and my calor car conversion as one as well. . but the pumps normally shut off at 90%. i drove for calor for awhile .
     
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    Here we go again.
    :yawn:
    Check the above, they have it figured.
    It's unsafe, stupid and not permitted by the garages.

    Dont listen to the "I all ways do it, they dont see me, ha ha, never had a problem" "I lay them down in the car boot" (that really is stupid) merchants.
    They will have a problem some day and it will be someone else's fault.
    If you can afford a motorhome, surely you can afford gas or a gaslow system.
    We aint talking about a daily purchase here, nor are we talknig mega bucks.
    Example: 3 week trip to Italy using gas for heating, cooking and some heating... half a 6kg cylinder.

    IT IS DANGEROUS and not permitted by the cylinders' owners. (Calor, usually)

    End of this thread for me.
    The muppet show will be along soon.
     
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    What would you rather cook on Gas,petrol or diesel?

    Now the A frame saga will [STRIKE]commence[/STRIKE] continue.
     
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