LEZ (1 Viewer)

[spannermanwigan]

Ridiculous stupid law, my van which is 2003 2.8jtd Ducato base original weight 3500 was compliant, a paper exercise by the motorhome builder to gross weight uprate to 3850 made it non compliant, what changed, nothing except a piece of paper,its emissions certainly didn't.

regards
Steve:Angry:

 

[johnp10]

Ridiculous stupid law, my van which is 2003 2.8jtd Ducato base original weight 3500 was compliant, a paper exercise by the motorhome builder to gross weight uprate to 3850 made it non compliant, what changed, nothing except a piece of paper,its emissions certainly didn't.

regards
Steve:Angry:

Primarily a money gathering exercise, Steve.
Always has been.

 

[nucs200]

I live 9 mile from it and I ain't going in till LEZ is gone car boat plane or train

I pay road tax to use all the highways and byways so why can't my truck pass through :Angry::Angry::Angry::Angry:

I agree so you should get a discount on your road tax for not being able to use these roads

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[slobadoberbob]

I believe in ferries as well

I agree so you should get a discount on your road tax for not being able to use these roads

I believe in ferries at the bottom of the garden as well wishful thinking.

The only thing you can be sure of in life is Taxes and death

Bob

 

[darklord]

I would just like to state that recovery companies are not exempt from the LEZ. We are based just outside it, and many of our specialist vehicles have had to be sold or moved to other depots and replaced, one , a particularly specialist vehicle has had to have an exhaust modification at a cost of more than some peoples motorhomes are worth.

 

[ourcampersbeentrashed]

from what I gather all our local councils vehicles including the dustcarts are exempt and you wanna see what they throw out.

There are far more dustcarts inside the LEZ than motorhomes, if they can be exempt why cant we

stir stir xxxxxx

We are gutted at having to get rid of our motorhome

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[GJH]

Ridiculous stupid law, my van which is 2003 2.8jtd Ducato base original weight 3500 was compliant, a paper exercise by the motorhome builder to gross weight uprate to 3850 made it non compliant, what changed, nothing except a piece of paper,its emissions certainly didn't.

regards
Steve:Angry:

Ours is registered one month later, the same year with the same engine, and is NOT compliant?????????

I wonder if weight is the factor. Our van is 3500 max. The automated check is somewhat crude so an uprated van might qualify if individually assessed. Might be worth asking.

 

[Red Sonja]

Our Van is 3850 and is not compliant. If I did the paper excercise and had it downrated to 3500 it would be compliant. Mind you I wouldnt be able to carry anything in it.

We live 200 yards inside the zone. We are now storing our van 7 miles away. THere will be a lot of people caught out and there are a lot that know nothing about it still.

Sonja

 

[GJH]

Our Van is 3850 and is not compliant. If I did the paper excercise and had it downrated to 3500 it would be compliant. Mind you I wouldnt be able to carry anything in it.

We live 200 yards inside the zone. We are now storing our van 7 miles away. THere will be a lot of people caught out and there are a lot that know nothing about it still.

Sonja

I'm still of the opinion, expressed to both Ken and Boris years ago, that existing private owners of leisure vehicles, resident within the LEZ, should be exempt so long as they own that particular vehicle. Unfortunately that argument was lost a long time ago.

I think it's strange, though, that there are a lot of people who are still unaware of the LEZ, given all the publicity over the last few years.

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[slobadoberbob]

I think it's strange, though, that there are a lot of people who are still unaware of the LEZ, given all the publicity over the last few years.

The point I was trying to make... there was so much publicity about this I find it hard to understand how some can claim that they were not aware of it being imposed... it was if you recall phased in over several years.

I cannot comment on the dustbin lorries, but I was aware that breakdown trucks had to comply.. if I recall that is where we came in to this post at the beginning when Dark Lord posted about it.

I know it is a shame some have had to dispose of there beloved motorhomes and I accept it is to expensive to make them compliant .. but as the vehicles get cleaner I suspect a lot more in time will fall in to the trap and have the same issues to deal with.

Bob

 

[buttons]

I have some sympathy with those living in the zone , I know someone who has changed his van because he lives just inside the zone, yet 10 miles from the city centre . He uses his motorhome maybe half a dozen times a year.
He lives just 1.5 miles inside the LEZ zone. He only ever drives away from the zone never into it yet still has to comply.
Compare this with the very polluting “London Black Cabs” who have their engines running all day every day in the most polluting low speed running mode inside the most heavily polluted areas of London and you can see the sheer folly of the scheme.
The black cabbies are today protesting at county hall because the LEZ has put a 10 year age limit on black cabs that have probably covered 500000 miles in city streets. :Sad:

 

[slobadoberbob]

my understanding Button was

I have some sympathy with those living in the zone , I know someone who has changed his van because he lives just inside the zone, yet 10 miles from the city centre . He uses his motorhome maybe half a dozen times a year.
He lives just 1.5 miles inside the LEZ zone. He only ever drives away from the zone never into it yet still has to comply.
Compare this with the very polluting “London Black Cabs” who have their engines running all day every day in the most polluting low speed running mode inside the most heavily polluted areas of London and you can see the sheer folly of the scheme.
The black cabbies are today protesting at county hall because the LEZ has put a 10 year age limit on black cabs that have probably covered 500000 miles in city streets. :Sad:

My understanding under the Hackney carriage rules all cabs were taken out of service when they were 10 years old.. has that changed? may be the 500,000 mile before the 10 years, but I am sure the life of a cab has been set in stone for many a year by the carriage office in Islington.

But yes I can see the point you are making. But where do you draw the line? there is always going to be some group that has an issue.. horse box owners? breakdown trucks, oil delivery trucks, small removal vans .. the list is endless.

The people inside London vote for the elected body which controls TFL so they may need to get on there representatives backs a bit more to get it changed.

Bob

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[Peter JohnsCross MH]

regarding Bob's comment on dirty engines and soot.

about time Boris started to fine the owners of the old, dirty, solid carbon fuelled steam engines plying in and out of London's rail stations.

one coal engine will throw out more soot in one journey through London than any diesel engine will in a whole year

Do the diesel/electric trains going into the mainline stations have to comply? not on your nellie, the tossers forgot those.

Peter

 

[buttons]

My understanding under the Hackney carriage rules all cabs were taken out of service when they were 10 years old.. has that changed? may be the 500,000 mile before the 10 years, but I am sure the life of a cab has been set in stone for many a year by the carriage office in Islington.

But yes I can see the point you are making. But where do you draw the line? there is always going to be some group that has an issue.. horse box owners? breakdown trucks, oil delivery trucks, small removal vans .. the list is endless.

The people inside London vote for the elected body which controls TFL so they may need to get on there representatives backs a bit more to get it changed.

Bob

That is my understanding also Bob, my reference to the mileage was just giving an idea of the possible mileage a cab might cover in the city centre in its ten years life span. My whole point was the folly of the LEZ ruling.

Another is the M25 that in places is not too far from the zone and giving off huge amounts of pollution.

Personally I think a low emission zone in large cities is a benefit to all, however, this zone goes out to places like Pinner and Stanmore in the northwest and I’m sure you could put the same case in the south of the city.

Surely it would have been better to have more than one suits all mentality.
If you are driving in the city centre for 12 hours a day then you should have a very low polluting vehicle. Living on the periphery needs more consideration.

Could I just say that I have no personal interest either way as all my vehicles are LEZ compliant.

 

[slobadoberbob]

same here Buttons

That is my understanding also Bob, my reference to the mileage was just giving an idea of the possible mileage a cab might cover in the city centre in its ten years life span. My whole point was the folly of the LEZ ruling.

Another is the M25 that in places is not too far from the zone and giving off huge amounts of pollution.

Personally I think a low emission zone in large cities is a benefit to all, however, this zone goes out to places like Pinner and Stanmore in the northwest and I’m sure you could put the same case in the south of the city.

Surely it would have been better to have more than one suits all mentality.
If you are driving in the city centre for 12 hours a day then you should have a very low polluting vehicle. Living on the periphery needs more consideration.

Could I just say that I have no personal interest either way as all my vehicles are LEZ compliant.

All three of my vehicles are LEZ compliant... however living just 15 miles South of the zone which on the A21 starts at Sidcup, which is way outside London I do think the map is badly drawn.. basically the M25 is used, but in Essex the zone goes outside the M25 as well.

While my RV (petrol) burns a lot of fuel it has a very hard job registering on the meter at MOT time ..real pain.. One of my cars is a Smart and the rFL is £30 a year as it is very compliant.. my other 180cc Hyundai is now nearly 9 years old, but does comply, which given it is petrol should not be an issue.. but the point I was making it does not have to be a diesel powered vehicle to chuck out carbon.. seen some real bad petrol cars in the past.. lots of land rovers are not good either (older ones I am talking about).. I do not have the answer.

Bob

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[buttons]

All three of my vehicles are LEZ compliant... however living just 15 miles South of the zone which on the A21 starts at Sidcup, which is way outside London I do think the map is badly drawn.. basically the M25 is used, but in Essex the zone goes outside the M25 as well.

While my RV (petrol) burns a lot of fuel it has a very hard job registering on the meter at MOT time ..real pain.. One of my cars is a Smart and the rFL is £30 a year as it is very compliant.. my other 180cc Hyundai is now nearly 9 years old, but does comply, which given it is petrol should not be an issue.. but the point I was making it does not have to be a diesel powered vehicle to chuck out carbon.. seen some real bad petrol cars in the past.. lots of land rovers are not good either (older ones I am talking about).. I do not have the answer.

Bob

Similarly I only live around 4 miles from the zone where it starts in the rural hamlets of Hertfordshire. It makes little sense. :Sad:

 

[Red Sonja]

They are using the London Boroughs as the Zones boundaries.

I actually live in Kent but also in the London Borough of Bexley hence I am inside the Zone. If I lived 200 yards away I would still be in Kent but in Dartford Borough.

Some parts of London Boroughs are not in the LEZ Zone this is because they need to give people the chance coming into the Zone to get out of the Zone again.

For instance on the A127 near Cranham Motorhomes the A127 isnt in the zone but every turning to the right and left of is it including Cranhams.You are allowed to go up to the roundabout after Cranhams and then back on yourself to get out of the Zone.

There were some people who had assumed that Cranhams isnt in the Zone as this part of the A127 isnt in the Zone. An expensive mistake to make because as soon as you turn off the A127 into Cranhams you are in the Zone.

Ludicrous or what.

Sonja

 

[wander]

I think it's strange, though, that there are a lot of people who are still unaware of the LEZ, given all the publicity over the last few years.

As someone living in Spain I've not seen any mention of it in the press here and even watching the UK national news on a fairly regular basis I've not seen any mention of it there either. I only picked it up from this forum and I think there will be a lot of European vehicles caught out. One wonders though how they are going to police the fines system for foreigh vehicles, are they going to stop us leaving at the ports or send the bailiffs out across Europe?

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[GJH]

As someone living in Spain I've not seen any mention of it in the press here and even watching the UK national news on a fairly regular basis I've not seen any mention of it there either. [HI]I only picked it up from this forum[/HI] and I think there will be a lot of European vehicles caught out. One wonders though how they are going to police the fines system for foreigh vehicles, are they going to stop us leaving at the ports or send the bailiffs out across Europe?

Yes, but I think the point is that you did pick it up. I should have thought that the vast majority of people affected would do so through either publicity aimed at their particular sector or by club/forum membership.

 

[wander]

Just heard from Boris that he's going to let me drive my motorhome inside his LEZ zone. Not that I want to but as my big sister lives there and we have her royal command to visit we will reluctantly do so!

 

[JockandRita]

Just heard from Boris that he's going to let me drive my motorhome inside his LEZ zone. Not that I want to but as my big sister lives there and we have her royal command to visit we will reluctantly do so!

A free pitch on her driveway with hook up, and near a tube station possibly?

Good luck.

Jock.

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[wander]

A free pitch on her driveway with hook up, and near a tube station possibly?

Her drive isn't big enough and she lives in a small 'rather select' cul-de-sac so a 6.5mtr motorhome parked in the road will probably ruffle a few neighbours feathers.

 

[motor roamin]

I have just read this thread from the start again, My RV is LEZ compliant though I have no desire to set foot in London again.

The thing tat is totaly unfair is for people living within the Zone who own non compliant motorhomes.

1) It is all very well saying go and change it or convert it......many people can't afford that, also an older one would not be cost effective to convert.

2) How many miles a year does some one do living within the zone actually do in their motorhome within the zone, possibly half of what one taxi does in a week.

It is balmey to expect people to change a perfectly good vehicle they are happy with for that sort of mileage......and sorry Bob I don't care how much warning they have had.....their total emissions may well not add up in a year to 1 taxi.

We are making engines more and more polution free not a bad thing, but now we have add blue and EGR these engines run hotter and have to cooled in diffreent ways to just a fan are these engines going to do the 1million mile plus or are they going to scrap after 500k only time will tell but how much polution will be produced doubling the amount of engines produced or vehicles if scrapped because the engine is gone bang.

Sorry but my personal opininion is for people living in the zone there should be an exemption as long as you own that vehicle if it is a low miles user.

Bob as for banning all older vehicles on polution grounds, you have just banned all classic and collectors vehicles wich is a multi billion £ industry all steam traction engines and many other liesure persuits, possibly even precluded some people from motorhome ownership on cost grounds, not bad for the stroke of a pen.

It's just another cash cow out of your pockets.

Just my opinion.

All the best Rick

 

[slobadoberbob]

every one is entitled to there views

I have just read this thread from the start again, My RV is LEZ compliant though I have no desire to set foot in London again.

The thing tat is totaly unfair is for people living within the Zone who own non compliant motorhomes.

1) It is all very well saying go and change it or convert it......many people can't afford that, also an older one would not be cost effective to convert.

2) How many miles a year does some one do living within the zone actually do in their motorhome within the zone, possibly half of what one taxi does in a week.

It is balmey to expect people to change a perfectly good vehicle they are happy with for that sort of mileage......and sorry Bob I don't care how much warning they have had.....their total emissions may well not add up in a year to 1 taxi.

We are making engines more and more polution free not a bad thing, but now we have add blue and EGR these engines run hotter and have to cooled in diffreent ways to just a fan are these engines going to do the 1million mile plus or are they going to scrap after 500k only time will tell but how much polution will be produced doubling the amount of engines produced or vehicles if scrapped because the engine is gone bang.

Sorry but my personal opininion is for people living in the zone there should be an exemption as long as you own that vehicle if it is a low miles user.

Bob as for banning all older vehicles on polution grounds, you have just banned all classic and collectors vehicles wich is a multi billion £ industry all steam traction engines and many other liesure persuits, possibly even precluded some people from motorhome ownership on cost grounds, not bad for the stroke of a pen.

It's just another cash cow out of your pockets.

Just my opinion.

All the best Rick

Everyone is entitle to there views that is what the forum is about. I have stated what mine are, and the reasons earlier in the post. They have not changed with viewing what others have said. I accept they have a view, it does not mean I agree with them or even disagree with them. You are lucky Rick that your 40' coach meets the regulations, I do feel for those with whatever it is they own that is unable to meet the requirements. But if you move the goal post an inch someone will want a mile. If you have a red traffic light does not mean you can stop the other side of the white line? So where do you move the inch to?

The people of London voted for there representatives and the way to change things is to send a message via the vote to them that you do not agree with what TFL have introduced. While we all moan about things we do not agree with or that effect us...

But I do think there has to be rules for all in society and not allow this group or that group to do something different because it suits them. I do not accept your argument re the older heritage vehicles or that it is money.. the only money I see is an increase in tax to pay for the NHS to cope with the illness that the emissions cause. Toting out the argument of taxi's or even trains (as some one did) are all red hearings and do not add to the debate. I do not see anything new in the views you bring to the table that others have not said already. Perhaps someone wants to run in the mayoral race, and then then can move the goal post.:Sad:

The world is not fair, that is a fact of life and we live with it. Rick you have your views, I have mine.

Now if you have an area 'new' to the issue I would be pleased to debate it with you, as I would with anyone.... It has been a long debate so far and I am sure there is mileage in it yet.
Bob

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