judder - what mileage?

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  1. 2dogs

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    Sorry to bring the subject up again:cry:

    Does anyone know what the average mileage the "judder" would show itself and what percentage of vans have the problem?

    I'm just a bit worried as I'm still looking for our first MH.

    Cheers
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    From memory they judder from day 1.

    The worry is that a judder-er will steadily be doing damage to the vehicle.
     
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    Thanks Brian,

    So in theory, if getting a second-hand van, a test reversing uphill should give me an indication. Is it just unlucky to get the problem? say 10-15% of vans or do most/all have it?

    Cheers
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    In the majority of cases, judder is caused by driving technique, too much welly on start/reverse

    Just let the clutch put with no accelerator and the van will move under the engine management system.

    I say this as a driver of many motorhomes, not as a dealer.

    Peter
     
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    It seemed incredibly random from what I read on the forums when the news broke. No doubt varied with weight distribution and chassis stiffness. And as Peter says you add in the driver as well. And the test. Some folk had to reverse up steep drives.

    I seem to recall though, unlike what Peter says, FIAT originally said dial in something like 1300 revs and slip the clutch. Guaranteed to destroy the clutch which is not over engineered for the loads we put on them.
     
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    Hi
    My Fiat never rearly juddered but it did hit the floor or something on start up, and I didn't reserve up hills, but on my recent service at Preston Fiat I ask them to check it out, they said it neaded doing so via calls from Milan and Preston to me it was done, the underfloor noise has now gone, present mileage 10,000 so it's not the mileage which is important, the problems are only on the new Ducatto not the previous model. Pete :thumb::thumb:

    Ps they are a great van to drive though.
     
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    Thankis for the replies,

    Brian, I can understand the issue of weight distribution and I would think having a longer overhang on the rear wheels could bring on the issue.

    We are aiming for a rear lounge with central kitchen/washing area, would this help to place more of the weight evenly between the front and rear wheels?

    Cheers
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    Most of the affected vehicles should now have been corrected by recall, which should have corrected the problem. Since having the fix on ours we have had no further problems. Only vehicles from 2007 are affected and if you see one that you like you should be able to check that the necessary work has been completed.
     
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    Unfair question, if FIAT, the makers can't predict the bad ones I sure as hell can't.

    You need to check if the mods have been done.

    If not is the vehicle still illegible.

    If not test incredibly thoroughly or better, run a mile.
     
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    I have a 2009 3 litre auto fiat...........no sign of judder at all
    and really lovely to drive. Love the auto box, it may be a computer assisted auto....but you would never know.

    barry
     
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    hi

    Before buying our MH ,I checked as much as I knew how to , ref possible problems with the X250 2.3 judder problem. Among the first checks being test drive ( no problems apparent ) , plus on to Fiat websites and VOSA recalls site . No recall details specifically regarding the reverse judder found.

    Dealer told me there is no official recall on the problem. The procedure apparently being that it was/is done on a case for case basis if the customer contacts Fiat. Vehicle then checked at an official Fiat dealership. Any problems found , remedial work carried out .

    Have I been looking in the wrong places , ref recall ? or have I been waffled at by the dealer and Fiat UK ?
     
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    No, As far as I'm aware your dealer is correct.... there never has been an official recall regarding this problem....
    Indeed, it took some considerable efforts by certain individuals to get Fiat to even recognise there was a problem at all!
     
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    Many thanks for your reply .I kind of thought that to be honest but just wanted to be sure . The dealer concerned is regularly at the major shows , so not really in their interest to get something like recalls wrong . I think I know who you mean regarding considerable efforts by individuals . Andy Stothart maybe?

    So far no problems with our X250 engine MH. And it has had a fair bit of testing already , via reversing on hills during our trips .
     
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    Thanks again,

    We'll just have to go careful when sourcing the van.

    Cheers
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    And boy did they fight dirty before the might of the internet got the better of them.
     
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    i'm surprised that Fiat have wasted their time and money on recalls if there is no problem. Is there a problem or isn't there a problem.:Sad:
     
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    Hi Tom
    No I had the same info from both Fiat Preston and Milan, But tested by Preston and autherised by Milan, good job done and always was pleased with the Fiat. Pete :thumb::thumb:
     
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    Hi, Out of the two vans I have had 2.3 and the present 3.0 litre. The 2.3 had the judder but could be corrected by clutch and throttle control.

    The 3.0 litre is fine apart from one thing!!. At about 9500 miles I had a main bearing failure which basically trashed the box. All fixed under warranty I should add.

    Hopefully my problem was a one off but may be another consideration to take in when buying a van.

    Pat.

    ps also have transits as work vehicles which are complete shit.
     
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    Thanks about the transit Pat,

    I was going to start another thread on alternative vehicles to the normal.

    Cheers
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    They never recalled a single vehicle.
     
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