Is change of tax class needed if renting out camper?

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  1. Bugbox

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    Hi everybody,

    I have a bespoke built Mercedes Vario 7.5 t camper which tax class is Private HGV.
    It will be hired out sometimes and set up at various venues where it will be used for whatever the customer wants to use it for, leisure and business.


    It will never carry goods for hire or reward.

    Does anyone know if the taxation class has to change to HGV and operators licence plus a an HGV training course has to be taken.

    Not sure if this is a grey area because have never heard of a company with a fleet of campers who must on occasion have hired them out commercially to say film/tv or for commercials etc
    taxing them as HGV.

    Also if during the course of going to the venue it would be good to be able to offer the service of picking the guest up en route and taking them free of charge to the destination.
    The insurance company would be informed.

    Many thanks and look forward to hearing replies,

    Bugbox
     
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    Technically it is carrying the hirers for reward and they in turn become goods. So one assumes you would lose the PHGV status. Be interesting to see what the legal eagles have to say on this one. Do hirers also have the correct licence to drive it and are the insurance company aware it's used as a hire vehicle.
    A minefield due to weight I'd say. Even if the hirers don't drive it they are in charge of it maybe with an inappropriate licence, is that a crime, who knows.:RollEyes::RollEyes: Don't forget any public place and that means any place the public has access even on a private field or campsite the drink/drive laws apply to being in charge. Though of course the law would have to prove intention to drive. Picking up clients in it would be deemed business use even if you don't charge for that part of the service. Before you get too deeply into it I suggest you visit a specialist solicitor who will be able to advise you rather than listening to barrack room lawyers like myself hee hee.
     
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    yes should be hgv .but its the same rate of duty anyway.
     
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    Good one
    What about tacos
    And driver Cpc
     
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    and operators licence + insurance costing and arm and a leg.
     
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    yes could be brought in as well. but most vehicles over 3,5ton have had tachos fitted for awhile . restricted operators isnt hard to get.
     
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    I did a train the trainer course for driver Cpc and this came up big campers and such as the Motorsport boys the guy who delivers course from FTA commented that it will proberbly come in but be totally Un enforceable
     
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    Sorry got that a bit wrong
    Motorsport boys if competing for prize money would fall foul
    Campers if owned and driven for by owners for plesure ok
    If driven by dealers so a profit or gain is involved they would fall foul
     
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    you are now going into another angle . if a big camper over 3,500kg gvw as a garage and carries m,bikes etc , then its not a m,home its a living van . they require different mot . best not go there. hee hee . mini artic pulling a living van thats the secret . ha ha .
     
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    Thanks for the info so far everybody...

    Will only ever drive vehicle to venue personally ~ not the hirer.

    Might just have to knock the idea on the head of giving the passengers a free ride for the time being...
    Still wonder how all the large companies get around the problem if they own the vehicles which are on their company books and knowingly hire a camper to businesses for business use ~ i.e. instead of a hotel or for motor racing where it may be used as a place to sell memorabilia etc...

    Does anyone have a motorhome which is taxed as a HGV and has a restricted operators licence. If so how much of a nightmare is it to do the paperwork and testing ~ is it every six weeks?
    :BigGrin:
     
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    the big companies dont worry its up to the user to cover these things . as for using it instead of a hotel or at race meets thats ok .
    should nt worry too much .just dont carry stock for them.
     
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    Thanks for that info...

    Does anybody know of motorhomes being pulled over and checked by VOSA or whoever it is?...
     
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    yers .lots are they usually look at over weight issues .
    in summer gordanos as a place for vosa . and here on the a30 its a regular thing .
    mobile weighing is the norm.
    soon there will be the living van issue . its already started if you have a motor home over 3.5ton there is a comment on the bottom of the tax renewals about having the correct mot.
     
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    A vehicle would only need an operators licence if it were used to carry goods for hire or reward (Standard) or in the course of a business (Restricted). I assume yours will not be used to "carry goods" on a public highway.

    Should a vehicle require a restricted Operator licence, yes, it is relatively easy to acquire but you will have to show immediate access to a sum of £3,100 for the first vehicle and £1,700 for each sunsequent vehicle.

    As to tachographs, the regualtions (EC3821/85 and EU 561/2006) revolve around similar criteria i.e the vehicle is over 3,500 kgs and is used for the carriage of goods.

    Driver CPC depends on what licence is required to drive the vehicle, if it is C, C+E, C1, C1+E, d, D+E, D1 or D1+E then driver CPC is required unless it falls into one of the exemptions. I suspect yours would fall into the exemption of "being used for personal use only" or "the only goods carried are in connection with your main activity and that main activity is not driving".
     
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    Sorry, only just noticed the posting date - I may be a bit late with this!
     
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    Should have been taxed as phgv anyway.....wrongly registered so the offence was already committed, not to mention the insurance being void.
     

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