Ireland, do we need a referendum!

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  1. Billy23

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    Being as old as I am, I can remember about 45 years of “The Troubles” in Ireland, I was watching the news this morning, and saw that the police had, once again had petrol bombs thrown at them.
    I then thought to myself, they call that country Ireland, it is not connected to England, what of earth are we doing in the country. Over the last 45 years it has cost shed loads of lives and goodness knows how much money the British tax payer has had to fork out.

    It would seem to me that, if they are not fighting, then they will think of something to fight about, it really is IMO just a total waste of money and effort on the part of this country to try and keep this country (Ireland) as part of the UK.
    In this time of austerity is there any reason that we cannot have a referendum to say if we want them as part of our country? After all they have had one, so one may ask, should we have one?

    Just thought I would ask
     
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    But should we abandon those who want to stay part of the UK?

    Its a tricky problem and I can see both sides of the argument even though I dont like the methods that one side uses to put their case.
     
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    Being honest I don't like the methods either side use to promote their case:Blush:
     
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    One common denominator RELIGION the one thing

    Everyone fights over atheist or religionists

    If only that was banned the world may get on

    :Eeek:
    :thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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    Why oh why weren't they offered a passage to England and the whole country returned in the original settlement ? Undo the wrong done by Pope Anastasius.
     
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    Ireland is split because of religion. Those in the North are the only ones bothered, Southern Irish only want the Catholics and any other religion will get treated like 2nd class citizens. The south sold out the six counties when partition took place. We cannot abandon a situation we have caused and abandon the people as well. When religion is no longer an issue, then a united Ireland WILL occur but not before. I'd like to add a smillie but they are all religious symbols, hee hee
     
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    Hilldweller, could you confirm she was the first female Pope?:Rofl1:
     
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    the union flag ,means the same to them as the koran is to muslims
     
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    Irish problem

    This is a hugely complicated situation and the only solution is democracy and the ballot box. That means that only the people of Northern Ireland can decide their future either in or out of the Union.

    If you think walking away from NI and handing it to Eire would solve the problem think again. The current unrest is caused by Unionists protesting over the Union flag, think what would happen if those same people suddenly found themselves living in the Irish Republic.

    Democracy and learning to live together is the only answer.
     
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    Wasn't there a vote in 1922? and the 6 (?) counties voted to stay with the U K ?
     
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    Ireland - A alternative view

    Ignoring the stag party in Dublin of Henry ll and 5,000 of his mates in 1171 and the 'bickering' on Irish soil in 1315 between Bobby the Bruce and his brother Edward l, up to the start of the 17th Century the Irish were a fairly relaxed, carefree and happy bunch, with only one football team, the Bhoys, to root for. :Smile:

    Then Jimmy 1st (or 6th - depending where you live) sent a boat load of 'Jockie' Protestants over to the north of Ireland telling them to confiscate land and generally cause havoc. This they did with some relish and success over the next 100 years or so and then, just to really p**s the Catholics off, they established the Anglican Church of Ireland and their own football team, 'the blue noses'. Boy, then the doo doo really did hit the fan and, well, you know the rest, it's been downhill ever since. :Sad:

    So my solution in Ireland is to send everyone with Scottish ancestry back to Scotland, give the land they stole back to the Irish and everybody's happy again. Oh, I almost forgot about big Willie A L'Orange and his boys. Everyone with Dutch ancestry should also be sent back to Holland (or made to travel to all four corners of the earth forever) and anyone whose ancestors nicked edible potatoes in 1850, or whose surname is Craig, should also be 'asked' to leave.

    Et voila - lasting peace and the chance to design a new (slightly smaller union) flag! Simple huh, put the past behind us and move on? :thumb:

    Okay, so I know the English may have had a tiny hand in this somewhere, but hey give us a break, we got enough people here to support already who claim we 'oppressed' them some time ago and loads more who we didn't. :Eek!:
     
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    There are 7.5 million people living in England who were not born here and you want ethnic cleansing in Northern Ireland based on 17th century migration. Respect for all.
     
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    Ethnic cleansing is a bit strong. Who cares where people are born, it's what they contribute that matters.

    I was attempting to allude (with a little off-beat humour) to the fact that Ireland has been subject to a number of outside influences over a very long period of time and not just for the past 45 years, as mentioned in the OP. However I am informed that allusion is not always appreciated here (except possibly by JJ, but maybe this is ‘illusion’).

    Ireland has been invaded on and off for over 1000 years with a large number of Irish people giving their lives in these various struggles. However, without doubt, the biggest change came in the 17th century, when Jimmy 1 (or 6) decided that Ireland had to be conquered and subsequently that the protestant faith had to be introduced. Thereafter followed a period of British Protestant political dominance and turmoil leading eventually to partition, dispute and many unfortunate and unnecessary deaths on both sides.

    History shows that this 17th Century 'migration', as you call it, undoubtedly, led directly to the current problems.

    I really don’t think that the 17th Century Irish Confederate Wars, or the Williamite War, where protestant supremacy was enforced, would be considered as ‘migration’ by the Irish people. I do accept, however, that the Scots were not the only protagonists and for this I apologise.

    I have no belief in any particular religion, however I do believe in a united Ireland, peacefully and amicably achieved, outside of British Control, and for this I make no apology.


     
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    Replace the word Scottish with Coloured or Muslim and suggest they return to their ancestral homes and it is easier to see you support ethnic cleansing. Just because the comment is claimed to be humorous does not make it any better.
     
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    When you colonise a country by force you have two choices... you either

    a) If you have the stomach for it you ethnic cleanse the indigenous peoples ... as done in N America, Australia and NZ

    or

    b) Try to control, wait for the rebellion and be prepared for a long protracted war .. as in
    Ireland, S Africa, India, Rhodesia, and several other African countries..

    The only solution is to pull out of Ireland and leave them to it.. This will result in a protracted bloody civil war until one or the other are annihilated.. that's how it works..
     
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    (The above was the 3rd part of a post, I removed the other 2 parts which you can read in the original post)

    Very good point. Question: Is there a time, -perhaps after 45 years (and more) that you say, it just not working, we have tried and tried, if its not one side it is the other fighting and killing- That you say, pull out and leave them to it!

    And before anobody says that I am suggesting that, remember, its just a question not a demand.
     
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    The British Tried:Doh: But after FIVE Maori Wars where the Cuzzie Bros wopped their , the Brits, behinds Peace descended:Wink:

    During the three hundred years or so of the looting, rapine, and enforced slavery that was the "EMPIRE" only two countrys were INVITED to become part of the !EMPIRE"

    N Z and Fiji
     
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    Ita a shame that nobody seems to learn from the mistakes
    made previously in history.
    Or want to come to that:Smile:
     
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