Info re Aframe prosecutions

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  1. Canoworms

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    To all Users Of “A”Frames

    I am writing to gather information on the subject of people being stopped by Guardia Civil in Spain when towing a car on an “A” frame. Now before anyone groans about old chestnuts and the subject having been talked to death I will state that I am not out to provoke more argument and furthermore I am not scaremongering.
    In the last few months I have had knowledge, backed up by evidence, of four persons who have been stopped and have, depending on which legislation used by the Guardia Civil, been fined amounts ranging from sixty to five hundred euros !!( These are discounted to forty two and two hundred and fifty respectively on the spot but the big one still hurts)
    I have been studying in depth various Spanish Regulations,European Law and Conventions relating to the subject and come to a conclusion that there may…just may be a way forward to a satisfactory conclusion.
    I need statistics backed up by hard evidence ie. details of as many “tickets” as possible. I don’t need personal details just a scan of the ticket showing the bar code and expediente number, precepto infrigido, lugar de denuncia and all details as far down as the reg. no. of the vehicle. ( If you have one of these you will recognise the Spanish.) Alternatively you can scan the whole ticket blocking out your personal details. Also if you have contested or appealed the ticket I would appreciate details of the resultant communication from the authorities.( again you can obliterate personal details if you wish).Finally were you allowed to continue having separated the tow or threatened with the car being impounded.
    I am in Spain for the next few months and hope to collate the details to prove a few points to the authorities personally. I’m a private individual with an “A”frame so I do have a vested interest.

    Thank you in anticipation,
    Julian Boden e-mail freebears@gmx.com Tel. 0034 610 659 151
     
  2. scotjimland

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  3. Snowbird

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    Just maybe none have actualy had a fine...they know somone that has.:Wink:
     
  4. Xabia

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    Have a look on facts, thread entitled A frame ban in Spain, page 23, member called Loddy fined 40 euros, has posted copy of paperwork for info.
     
  5. Snowbird

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    Am not allowed on there.
     
  6. Loddy

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    Loddy is allowed on here

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  7. Snowbird

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    They will have anybody on here as long as they have a tenner:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
  8. Loddy

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    I think I paid £12 :Sad::Sad:

    Loddy
     
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    just think, that 12 quid could have taken the RV about 20 miles .. :Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    A very apt name for the o/p:Rofl1:
     
  11. Snowbird

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    Well we have bumped it for a few days now and no takers so can only presume its another Aframe myth:Wink:
     
  12. oldfozzie

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    Towing in Spain

    I live part time in Spain and have done for the past 10 years. It is illegal to tow a vehicle in Spain with its wheels in contact with the ground. Hence all recovery vehicles here are those which load the car on to the bed of the recovery vehicle and not the tow variety; it has been known for fines to be imposed just for carrying a tow rope.
    A further word of warning, due to the economic climate here fines have become a major part of the Guadia's funding, yes they keep the fines!:Sad:
     
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    But have YOU actualy had a fine??????
     
  14. MicknPat

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    I recall some months ago reading on a forum (cannot recall which one) a Brit who was stopped and fined for using an A frame and challenged it (not sure if it was with British or European court) and got his money back, anyone else reading it?

    On reading all of the hearsay stories of persons getting stopped and fined I also ask for those persons to come forward and say exactly what happened and what paperwork they were issued with....................just like Canoworms I'm still waiting.:Sad:
     
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    Yes I have

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    this a letter stating I have 10 days to appeal
     

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    No because I don't tow unless I'm off-road
     
  18. Snowbird

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    Thanks for that Loddy...I cant get it up enough to read it or translate it.
    Are you taking it to appeal????.
    I know its a difficult procedure but am sure its worth it in the long run...at least it will set a president for others.
    Have appealed a few times against different fines in France and Germany and only lost one...it was my fault and I know I was pushing my luck.
     
  19. Loddy

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    No I don't think so, It took more than 10 days to arrive so that will complicate things.
    As I said before a €40 fine for a couple of years and 10,000 miles of touring is not bad value. And of course my Spanish is Poco

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    Grounds for Appeal

    I am fascinated to know what the grounds would be for such an appeal? Please enlighten me so that I can use it if I need :Smile:
     

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