In your opinion re: A Frames

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In your opinion are A Frames legal in the UK

  1. No the only legislation mentioning them is for recovery only

    7 vote(s)
    12.3%
  2. No there is no law covering them

    12 vote(s)
    21.1%
  3. Yes they are treated as trailers

    30 vote(s)
    52.6%
  4. Yes they are allowed under EU legislation

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. Other

    7 vote(s)
    12.3%
  1. sdc77

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    With the A Frame debate thundering on I thought this poll would be interesting.
     
  2. John Laidler

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    I didn't know there was a debate about their use in the UK - I thought the problems were about Europe and Spain in particular? I must pay more attention.

    Not. :)
     
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  3. Jim

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    It is pretty clear that Our 'opinions' count for nothing. It's the opinion of a judge that will make them strictly 'legal' or not. Meanwhile, VOSA, DVSA the DOT (whatever) have the opinion that they are legal (which will stop any judges getting near it in the UK) but acknowledge that should a court ever get near it (why would they) that might change.
     
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    It doesn't concern me one bit as I converted my Aframed Panda to cash years ago. I find it much easier to handle now :).
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  5. NickNic

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    It won't be considered by a court until someone is killed as a direct result of an a frame being either used or fitted to a vehicle.

    Until that happens the grey area will remain in the UK
     
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    There's no grey area with regard to trailer brakes: if the trailer is over 750kg then all wheels in contact with the road must be braked. I don't think you'll find any A frame that brakes only the rear wheels of a toad.
     
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    Yep your right for some reason I was thinking of the spectacle type lift. (n)
     
  9. sdc77

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    I think the poll speaks for itself tbh :)
     
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    Whilst I agree with you Jim I still think that even after the 2 zillion a frame threads .. people are still confused and/or have incorrect views of the current situation in the UK
     
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    ...... and a poll is going to help?:sleep:
     
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    Of course not .. but it does underline the different views quite starkly. . Sorry did you have a suggestion to help?:sleep:
     
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    Our opinions may not be valid but we are surely allowed to have them or what would be the point of a discussion or a forum on which to discuss ?

    My view is they are not illegal therefore by default they are not illegal .

    All the rest has been said . Not that I get into discussions on this topic though .. ..........
     
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    As per English common law and also the document issued by the Government as previously referred. Not that the gainsayers will take any notice, of course.

    • I regularly tow on an A frame
    • I am happy with the braking efficiency as it uses the cars own servo and electronics for braking
    • I am happy that the government departments are OK with this
    • My insurance company is totally happy with both Van and car fully insured whilst towing and is written into the insurance documents
    • Insurance company also happy with the modifications to both as fully declared
    • If someone runs out in front of the car the extra screw hole will make no difference whatsoever to either the car or someone if hit
    • The courts will not come after me if the above happens and in any case as per item 4 above the insurance company will cover it as modifications etc fully declared. Insurance companies are risk averse and to write the coverage into the policy shows that they have investigated fully and got their lawyers to approve any wording
    • It is my choice to do all of the above and the gainsayers who simply do not understand common law should stop screeching that A frames are illegal where they clearly are legal under UK common law. Other countries have different views but in UK they are legal
    *mic drop*
     
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    in fact all the brakes must work on the car being towed regardless of weight .
    if brakes are fitted they must work.
    the 750kg is for unbraked trailers .
     
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    Charlie got banned from the forum. How about a total ban on a/frame linked threads for one month too. Either some members that haven't got one are totally obsessed with this stuff or haven't a big enough garden to look after. Lets have a break.
     
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    Legal?

    Not legal?

    I am so very, very sorry but I don't give a monkey's...

    JJ :cool:
     
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    But what will happen when I go on holiday if I get stopped and fined I wont be able to report back? :cry:
     
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    The whole point of a forum is to discuss topics of all sorts whether we like the topic or agree or disagree.. Every one is entitled to thier view so placing an almost unenforceable ban on any particular topic would not be in the interests or spirit of a forum .

    There does seem to be a pro or anti group and for the life of me I cannot understand why anyone who does not or does not intend to buy or use an A frame objects as much as is often the case.

    There are lots of things in life I have no interest in and in no way intend to participate but I have to many other things to worry about to opine on them .
     
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  20. My Dog Likes Fishing

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    I'm new to this game. What's an A Frame?
     
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