How much payload is enough for 2 people?

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  1. Vanman

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    The list of essential equipment has got me thinking … how much does all that weigh? Then you’ve got all the stuff you need to live for a week, even if you’re eating out you need breakfast and lunch – that’s a couple of pans, plates, cups, glasses, a fridge full of beer and wine, a couple of bottles of the good stuff …

    The minimum payload on the vans I’m short-listing is 475 kg. Now I wouldn’t know a Killer granny (Kg) from my elbow and I’m not any better at tonnes. So what do you all think? The max I can see is 650 Killer grannies which I presume is more than reasonable. Is 475 enough for two people and their gear (no bikes, two laptops, an outdoor table and two chairs?). I'm not looking for a scientific answer obviously and I suppose I can weigh some things in advance, I just don't want to buy something with a silly small payload that will never work.
     
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    >> enough for 2 people?

    Now that would depend if one of them is female.
     
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    i say no. think for two people you need 1000kg .
    then clothes shoes coats . food etc plus tools . spare gas bottle . water ,plus a bit for waste .
    it soon mounts up.
    just walk around your kitchen at home weighing things it really can be surprising even a pot of jam etc is a pound in weight . almost half a kg.
    never mind books ,maps ,
    washing up liquid , etc .
    i have tried it years ago and its amazing how it all mounts up.
     
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    You just Ambulancekidd how lucky he is.........:sneaky:
     
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    You have to take what is necessary but not necessarily what you or the other half need,we soon learnt that a lot of the stuff you carry you don't need and can forget about.(y)last winter laden for a three month trip including a full tank of water we had 600kg of clobber so for a week would be a lot less.(y)
     
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    If your reading these weights from a brochure, beware, they may be highly inaccurate, it depends whats been included in the calculation.
     
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    Hmm .. so you don't have to fill the garage then?
     
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    i also forgot . spare oil, spare fuel . bottle of polish , perhaps spare brake fluid .
    then perhaps solar,batteries . chargers for phones etc tv, radio , weigh the cutlery plates cups pans . tin opener .
     
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    most definitely!

    Looking at your avatar may give me an understanding here ;) Thousands of these vans sell every year with max 650Kg so I think 1000kg may be a little OTT (for a PVC)

    That's good to know, makes it feel like just another of the variables, big is better but most of my list is still viable :)

    A mixture of reviews and websites. New vans so I'm guessing they have to be at least a little honest, although I suspect there's probably no 'standard' trim to weigh in.
     
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    It's all a matter of personal needs, we run with about 350kg of weight that leaves us about 200kg spare capacity, doesn't seem to matter if going for a weekend or a few months. I have had the van weighed several times, the local trading standards weighbridge is easy to get to and they are more than happy to weigh for free if you just want to write down the weight.

    At Malvern last weekend, I was looking at a used Hymer that was advertised as 3500kg, sure enough, it had been downplated from 3850kg, which I estimated left the vehicle with about 200kg of payload capacity. The dealer had no idea, told me there was ample capacity, I left hoping that someone seriously interested checked it all out.
     
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    You can rest assured that we won't be taking any polish or brake fluid - this is a holiday vehicle and we won't be setting off if it can't make the round trip on existing polish and brake fluid ;)

    My bad though for not explaining it would be new - or nearly new :)
     
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    From here: https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/m...dvice/motorhome-weights-and-payload-explained

    On a new motorhome, remember that every additional optional item – from carpet mats to electric awnings – must be subtracted from your available payload. Buy a vehicle with a modest payload and just a few extras can soon reduce the remaining payload to a negligible amount for your essentials such as clothing, bedding, food and drink. Manufacturers and dealers should advise you clearly on the weight of any options, so check carefully at the time of purchase. Given the sizeable cost of investing in a motorhome, you can also insist on getting it weighed as part of the deal.

    Does it include water? Full tank of fuel? Gas bottles? Passengers?
     
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    Brochure weights will not include extras, awning, solar panel, satellite system, microwave etc. When I weighed mine with just myself in plus quarter tank fuel and half tank water it came to 3560 kegs, so already over without wife, dogs food and clothes.
    Had to up rate to 3850 to stay legal at the time.
    I weighed all the bits and pieces in the underneath cupboards and it only came to 150 so not much saving there.
    Get it on a weigh bridge before buying, make sure you know what your getting, water and diesel weigh approx 1 kg per litre.
     
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    Well I have 1.25 tonne now that I have fitted Air Assist and uprated the payload and the trike weighs 250 kg alone so that leaves a metric ton for all else and I think that is plenty.

    Before the upgrade I even ditched the fairly heavy windbreak so that we could carry both electric bikes and the trike too. I carry a genny that has never been fired up for my use, others have benefited though.

    I think if ever I come down in size (post 70 years) I would take a 3.5 tonne and tow a box trailer with the toys inside.
     
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    If you are looking at new vans you have to be careful because a lot of your theoretical payload can be lost by options fitted at the factory, awning, extra batter, solar panel, side door up front on "A Class" etc etc.

    If you have 475 kg once the van is fully specced up you should be OK I would think but you will be limited to how much water you can carry, a 100 litre tank would be pretty normal I guess and that will be 100 kg.

    Martin
     
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    You'll have to excuse me as I'm new to this ... I thought that people usually emptied the tanks before departure or travelled with the bare minimum? I seem to remember at least one of the vans having a 'feature' where it dumped fresh water automatically over a certain level.
     
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    Usually travel with a full water tank, got caught in 9-10 hour traffic jam outside Milan once, I hadn't filled the water tank and ran out of water for the toilet, decided that wouldn't happen again. my tank holds just over 300litres :)
     
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    You little Minx, you kept that quiet. Roll on Halloween tell Les he has to entertain Popeye and Co
     
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    That could be a bit tricky inside the NEC ;)
     
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    Think you may have mistaken my post for someone else's ;)
     
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