How do you choose a camera?

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  1. snailtrailer

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    :eek::eek::eek::eek: I have been studying the reviews on Nikon Coolpix P7800 on Jessops, John Lewis and umpteen photographic magazines - and now I'm totally confused. Do I want fast action shots (then I need the Canon G16). Am I bothered that the P7800 doesn't have WiFi. Is there anything else I should consider? Is it okay to buy online without handling it?
    Any suggestions please.
     
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    I have a G16 for the times when I can't use an SLR and I can't recommend it highly enough. You have the same modes that you have on an SLR from full auto to full manual, built in wifi, the battery lasts forever. It's a great bit of kit. But that's just my opinion and for all that it couldn't replace a full frame SLR.
    It really depends what you want to do with it.
     
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    Hi; I think that £349 is a lot of money to spend on a camera if you have those questions. I would spend a lot less than that, ( maybe £200 less) learn how to take photographs, so that it seems to be second nature, and then maybe buy a camera with more "bells and whistles"
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    As with all technology I have difficulty in keeping up. I have a Pentax P30 with a couple of Tokina lenses but as you can tell I haven't used it for ages. I want something better than a 'point and shoot' but, quite frankly, don't know where to go.
     
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    You won't learn anything useful with a 100 quid point and shoot junk camera. The G16 IMO is a good option to learn how to use a proper camera. It's a compact, so small and relatively cheap, but mimics an SLR in modes and features. The most important thing to learn is how to control and use shutter speed, aperture and white balance and how they affect each other. You can't do that if your camera won't let you.

    And you can get it for £334 from Wex (y)
     
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    Jessops also have it for £334. Perhaps I'd better try and get to Norwich and compare a few cameras.
     
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    Most of the old master photographers working with monochrome plates, who produced photographs stunning to this day, would not agree with you.

    KISS with a 12x or more zoom and enjoy the images.
     
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    They probably would actually. They had to set everything up manually which is something every serious photographer needs to know how to do. Shooting film instead of digital is a great way to get rid of bad habits because you never know what you are going to get until you process the film so the encouragement is there to do things properly and that's always fully manual apart from I use my digital camera for metering and then set the film camera based on that. I love it.

    Also forget zoom unless you're doing something that really needs it - I use a giant one for my rugby stuff but only for that. For everyday walking around a 50mm prime is the way to go especially with film.
     
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    Hi from a fellow Norfolk resident. I think you will find that there is no Jessops in Norwich anymore , the one in Chapelfield is certainly closed, try Norwich Camera Centre in Timberhill,,or John Lewis in Allsaints Green, that's where I bought my Canon SX50 from, and they price match.
     
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    For your responses. Will take heed of all your suggestions.
     
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    For the benefit of "non-photographers" I'll point out that "50mm prime" just means "the single fixed lens you would get with every camera before compact zoom lenses were common".

    Yes it gets you the best average performance but that's all.

    You need wide angle when you are in that stately home, you need telephoto to capture that boat sailing past or that bird on a rock, so we'll disagree on this one.

    My credentials are in my signature link, hardly any taken with a 50mm lens.

    I have two old digital cameras.
    Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ6 with a 12x zoom. Fits a pocket and amazing performance. The new version has more zoom.

    Fuji Finepix HS20. Well out of date but still 30x zoom, through lens viewing and all the manual control I need. Nice big handful.

    In my opinion the latest cameras all all full of stupid extras to impress people who do not know what they are doing.
     
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    I agree... apart from long distance nature or sports shots, a good 50mm prime will beat most telephotos for quality.. hands down.. telephoto makes you lazy ..

    After years of lugging around a Nikon SLR and a bag of glass I sold the lot and bought a Fuji X100S .. I love this camera. and it goes everywhere, the quality of the images is stunning..

    I won't go on, read Ken Rockwell's review and what he has to say about telephoto

    Zoom Lens

    would you call these photos 'average' ?

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x100s.htm
     
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    "What camera ?" Everybody comes up with their own perceived answer, but the one above by Nick is the most important.
    Ask the question of any group of people and you'll end up with a long list, and be none the wiser. It will always be an individual choice. My advice is to simply buy "What camera" or similar publication, study it carefully, make a short list dependent on what YOU want it for, then browse the reviews on line. It takes time - no shortcuts! But much better to do that than to start with any given camera, no matter how highly recommended by their owners, and looking to see if THEIR choice is the one for you.
     
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    Be aware that you'll get as many different suggestions as there are photographers on this forum - it's a very partisan subject, as you've doubtless noticed in all the reviews you've read.

    The camera you're looking at offers 28mm wide angle up to 200mm telephoto (4x optical magnification) so if that's the lens range you've previously been happy with on your Pentax SLR and you don't need to change the lenses then fine, go for a high-end compact.

    If you enjoyed the lens-changing flexibility of an SLR, you might consider buying a DSLR (D = "Digital") body, a suitable adapter ring (£7+) and using your old Tokina lenses on your digital camera body until you've settled into it. There is a thriving market of DSLR users buying old 35mm lenses and adapters - it helps pay my bills.

    As for buying online - you're covered by the distance selling regulations which allow a 14 day return for any reason, a bit like a cooling off period when you buy double glazing. If you're not happy after a fortnight and it's undamaged then you can send it back.

    I've been taking photos since I was about 12, on film and on digital. I also sell vintage cameras and lenses and speak with a lot of older camera enthusiasts who wax lyrical about the glories of film and film processing. Having heard it all many times over I still personally prefer digital for sheer convenience, but like I say it's a very partisan subject.
     
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    Quite agree. I have a Canon 100-400 L series zoom lens that I use for my rugby work. It's a great lens and bloody expensive but I would much much rather have the 400mm f2.8 prime. The only problem is that it's about 7 times more expensive than the zoom :(
     
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    It gets you the best performance full stop, not the best average.

    Yes, you will need to carry more than one lens but that the price you pay for the image quality. I have a 20mm, a 50mm and an 85mm in my bag and I would dearly love a long prime as well but can't justify the huge cost.
     
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    Since when has the camera equipment had anything to do with the creativity or talent of the photographer? That statement is classic kit snobbery.

    There are plenty of duffers strutting around festooned with expensive fixed lenses and plenty of good photographers quietly using consumer level zoom lenses.

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    Puffin spotting on Skomer Island
     
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    errr.. not my words.. should have put that in quotation marks
     
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    Sorry sir - as you rightly say, Mr Rockwell's words not yours. Corrected.
     
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