Hot Water boiler .... how to stop it freezing (1 Viewer)

[Plinky]

hi , I'm travelling through France and I will be in minus temperatures for a few days. At night I'm leaving the diesel heating on low, but is there anything specific I need to do with my truma gas water heater to stop it's tank freezing, or is the heating in the van normally enough? Thanks for any advice ..... I don't want to spring an ice induced leak.

 

[f6c]

Keep it turned on

 

[Munchie]

Switch it to heating AND water!

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[Reallyretired]

When I'm away my hot water is on all the time. It doesn't use a lot more gas than having to heat from cold each time you need hot water, it's there on demand and no risk of freezing. The only time I turn it off is when refuelling.

 

[Minxy]

Switch it to heating AND water!

He's got DIESEL heating ...

 

[Munchie]

He's got DIESEL heating ...

So have i. Your point is?

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[Steve]

be it gas or diesel leave it all on

 

[Plinky]

Thanks for the advice. I'm fairly new to all this. I've turned it on but to a low '30' setting. Hopefully that should do it. My heating is diesel and I only use very little hot water , but as recommended here, it's better to heat the water and use some gas than have any problems, at least until I find some warmer weather. Cheers

 

[Munchie]

He's got DIESEL heating ...

Does not stop both being on!
Also in original post he says GAS for water!

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[Minxy]

Switch it to heating AND water!

So have i. Your point is?

Does not stop both being on!
Also in original post he says GAS for water!

... you said to switch IT, ie the Truma to heating and water ... as his heating is diesel he can't switch the Truma to both as it will only be gas (and electric) ... if you hadn't said IT then I wouldn't have responded originally ...

 

[Munchie]

... you said to switch IT, ie the Truma to heating and water ... as his heating is diesel he can't switch the Truma to both as it will only be gas (and electric) ... if you hadn't said IT then I wouldn't have responded originally ...

Ok if we are being pedantic leave BOTH om!
My deisel does both

 

[Minxy]

Ooooooooommmmmmmmm .... Oooooooooommmmmmmmm ..... and relax.

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[Plinky]

Hi. I have tried driving with it on and it goes out (red light) . Do I need to fit the metal shield over the flu when driving? I also have the plastic cover but assume since it has no vents this is only for when it is not used. Thanks

 

[Minxy]

Hi. I have tried driving with it on and it goes out (red light) . Do I need to fit the metal shield over the flu when driving? I also have the plastic cover but assume since it has no vents this is only for when it is not used. Thanks

Please do NOT drive with the gas boiler on ... it is not meant to be left on when driving and would be dangerous if you had an accident, the diesel heating which can be used on the move should be sufficient to keep you nice and snug whilst travelling and so long as you put the Truma on (once stopped!) to get the water hot each evening and don't use all the water it shouldn't be sufficiently hot overnight to prevent any issues with the cold.

 

[eddie]

Please do NOT drive with the gas boiler on ... it is not meant to be left on when driving and would be dangerous if you had an accident, the diesel heating which can be used on the move should be sufficient to keep you nice and snug whilst travelling and so long as you put the Truma on (once stopped!) to get the water hot each evening and don't use all the water it shouldn't be sufficiently hot overnight to prevent any issues with the cold.

My fridge runs on gas when I am driving! It is designed to.

Mind you, the engine runs off of LPG so that is always turned on when I am driving as well.

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[Minxy]

My fridge runs on gas when I am driving! It is designed to.

Mind you, the engine runs off of LPG so that is always turned on when I am driving as well.

Eddie, you're may do that but you don't have a 'eurobox' MH ...

 

[eddie]

Eddie, you're may do that but you don't have a 'eurobox' MH ...

I have often wondered what people think the difference is? We have people paranoid about shutting LPG off when travelling, often after reading advice from others on forums.

When people are perspiring, worrying if they remembered to got outside in the rain and turn their gas off, wondering if they have time to nip out and check it, before the traffic moves away from the traffic lights, I wonder what goes through their minds when they glance at a garage forecourt and see people filling up, and driving away on LPG?

Funny old world.

Over the years we have prepared food going along, washed up, made drinks, showered, slept, used the loo, sat at the dinette and written all sorts of things. Our dogs lay on the floor and when our kids were little we would let them watch videos once they were in their jimjams until they were sleepy and then used to tuck them up in either the over cab or our bed and move them again when we stopped.

Having bought our first motorhome, brand spankin new when I was 28 years old with three little children I have masses of experience and thankfully can tell anyone interested in actual facts that motorhoming is an amazingly safe pastime and I can't remember the last fatality for nodding off in the wrong seat, using the loo underway or forgetting to turn of the water heater

relax and enjoy France

 

[Lenny HB]

My fridge runs on gas when I am driving! It is designed to.

Mind you, the engine runs off of LPG so that is always turned on when I am driving as well.

Does your fridge have a sealed burner with a balance flue or is it a naked flame like Euro fridges, 'caus it is against the road traffic act to drive with a naked gas flame.?

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[Lenny HB]

Hi. I have tried driving with it on and it goes out (red light) . Do I need to fit the metal shield over the flu when driving? I also have the plastic cover but assume since it has no vents this is only for when it is not used. Thanks

Only the fan flued Truma combi can be used on the move and the the gas system must meet the requirements, i.e. Secumotion regulator and anti-rupture hoses/bottles.

 

[Minxy]

I have often wondered what people think the difference is?

The difference is that what YOU choose to do is up to you, if you want to take all the risks you state above then so be it, advising others to do it though is another matter entirely.

Regarding the OP's specific question - as the Truma boiler goes 'off' when travelling it is obviously not meant to be left on otherwise this wouldn't happen.

 

[eddie]

The difference is that what YOU choose to do is up to you, if you want to take all the risks you state above then so be it, advising others to do it though is another matter entirely.

Regarding the OP's specific question - as the Truma boiler goes 'off' when travelling it is obviously not meant to be left on otherwise this wouldn't happen.

I didn't realise that I was advising anyone to do anything. I was offering a foil to some of the opinions often posted as "facts" when they are opinions.

Does your fridge have a sealed burner with a balance flue or is it a naked flame like Euro fridges, 'caus it is against the road traffic act to drive with a naked gas flame.?

What about tarmac lorries?

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[Lenny HB]

What about tarmac lorries?

Aren't their gas burners only on when resurfacing not bombing down the highway at 70, if you read the 1988 Road Traffic Act it clearly states not allowed to drive a vehicle with a naked gas flame.

How about answering the question does your fridge have a naked flame?

 

[eddie]

Aren't their gas burners only on when resurfacing not bombing down the highway at 70, if you read the 1988 Road Traffic Act it clearly states not allowed to drive a vehicle with a naked gas flame.

How about answering the question does your fridge have a naked flame?

Doesn't a flame mean a flame? When the line painting is being done by a vehicle driving down the road in front of me wouldn't that be a contravention?

I have never been able to look if there is a flame when the RV is being driven so I couldn't answer.

Given that the RV had to meet the agreed spec agreed by the RV dealers and VOSA I guess that it isn't a problem.

I have never read the 1988 Road Traffic Act. No doubt If I did it would pretty much rule out the use of most motorhomes on the road

 

[eddie]

I suppose then that I had better not mention the "hot swapping" we would do when tired? Flip up the steering wheel, slide the drivers seat right back, engage cruise control

Wife (Lyn) stands in front of me and takes hold of the steering wheel, I the release the wheel and slide out of the seat, pressing the button to slide the Captains Seat forward. Lyn sits down and adjusts the steering wheel and column back down to a more comfortable position, leaving me free to start the generator and get on with dinner!

Its great to arrive after a long drive to a hot roast dinner.

And no, no naked flames were hurt in the process! the 6Kva built in generator runs on petrol so all the cooking is done using 220VAC and the roast in the convection oven

Were not mad you know!

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[sdc77]

Aren't their gas burners only on when resurfacing not bombing down the highway at 70, if you read the 1988 Road Traffic Act it clearly states not allowed to drive a vehicle with a naked gas flame.

How about answering the question does your fridge have a naked flame?

.. Isn't it C&U 1986 ...
In this case my understanding is it can't be a naked flame to the outside of an appliance.. and there has to be a device that cuts off the gas if the appliance fails to function?
I'm pretty sure that vehicles such as the ones @eddievanbitz refers to are excluded as long as they have the cut out device...

On the subject of changing drivers... back in the day.. long drives in 4 tonners on autobahns .. driver changeover... from back over roof down through top and swap without slowing..

 

[eddie]

How does a Steam Engine get its steam?

 

[eddie]

.. Isn't it C&U 1986 ...
In this case my understanding is it can't be a naked flame to the outside of an appliance.. and there has to be a device that cuts off the gas if the appliance fails to function?
I'm pretty sure that vehicles such as the ones @eddievanbitz refers to are excluded as long as they have the cut out device...

On the subject of changing drivers... back in the day.. long drives in 4 tonners on autobahns .. driver changeover... from back over roof down through top and swap without slowing..

That is my understanding of the situation

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[Lenny HB]

Can't resist winding Eddie up.

From :
1986 No. 1078

ROAD TRAFFIC
The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986

To me it reads like the Tarmac lorry is legal but the RV isn't.

 

[thehutchies]

I suppose then that I had better not mention the "hot swapping" we would do when tired? Flip up the steering wheel, slide the drivers seat right back, engage cruise control

Wife (Lyn) stands in front of me and takes hold of the steering wheel, I the release the wheel and slide out of the seat, pressing the button to slide the Captains Seat forward. Lyn sits down and adjusts the steering wheel and column back down to a more comfortable position, leaving me free to start the generator and get on with dinner!

Its great to arrive after a long drive to a hot roast dinner.

And no, no naked flames were hurt in the process! the 6Kva built in generator runs on petrol so all the cooking is done using 220VAC and the roast in the convection oven

Were not mad you know!

We have always preferred to let the co-pilot stand behind the driver.
Take the van up to 70, knock it into neutral then the driver slides over and the co-pilot slips into the driving seat.

 

[eddie]

Can't resist winding Eddie up.

From :
1986 No. 1078

ROAD TRAFFIC
The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
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To me it reads like the Tarmac lorry is legal but the RV isn't.

Well it states that a naked flame that is not on the outside of the appliance for a refrigeration device. No naked flame on the outside of my fridge So I'm fine. Also refers to a "bus" My RV is manufactured by the Gulf Stream Coach Company and is listed as a Coach!

Now lets measure those lights stuck in the front of the fibreglass on Lenny Henny's conversion lol

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