Help please gross vehicle weight

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  1. laneside

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    Can anyone answer this on gross vehicle weight please

    We have a new Rapido with a Fiat engine and cab but with an Alko chassis the problem comes with the plates on the front of which there are three

    The Rapido puts the gross weight at 3500Kg
    The Fiat one puts the gross weight at 3650 Kg
    and the Alko plate says 3700Kg

    It is registered on the log book as 3500kg but this is too close for comfort, driving up to 7500Kg on my licence is not a problem.

    What should it say on the log book?


    Thanks Alan
     
  2. Geo

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    You have a choice,:thumb: simples
     
  3. flatpackchicken

    flatpackchicken Funster Life Member

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    Christ almighty Alan, you have got a problem there mate better get to a Mot station and sek there help, as this is a problem Regards Garry Flatpackchicken
     
  4. pappajohn

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    the Alko plate takes priority and it should have been registered as 3700kg by the registering dealer....half of them dont have a clue what weight to register as so just say 3500kg.

    a trip to your local DVLA office will sort it.

    take your V5 and photo's of the van including the Alko plate and the number plate.

    also take your insurance, MOT(if needed) and tax disc along with £165 for a years new road tax (or £90 odd for 6 months)....the old disc will be refunded for any full months remaining.

    they will not change the revenue class without buying new road tax on the spot.

    at the moment, as its registered as 3500kg, that is your gross weight limit...even though the plate states 3700kg.


    i had the same problem on our Kontiki.....3850kg registered as 3500kg.
    3 x plates....Fiat 3500kg, Swift 3850kg and Alko 3850kg.
    took about 20 mins at the Beverley DVLA office, tax disc issued on the spot and a 5 week wait for the new updated V5 to arrive.
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    Not a problem Garry....an inconvenience.
    see my post below yours:thumb:
     
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    Hi Alan
    I went from 3500 to 3700 via SV Tech, I took the paper work to DVLA in Preston (Fulwood) it was quite straight forword, they issued a new tax disc there and then with no payment from me, a refund for the difference in the now lower tax due it is now classed has PLG, came through the post also a new log book. Pete

    Ps
    I know this is a different situation from you but it can all be sorted.:thumb::thumb:
     
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    Perfect mate nice one:thumb:, Regards Garry Flatpackchicken
     
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    that should read PHG(V)...private heavy goods (vehicle).

    PLG...private light goods is up to 3500kg
     
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    Just jumping on the bandwagon here, hope you don't mind.

    The Explorer Group (Elddis) plate on our MH is :

    MTPLM 3500
    MIRO 2850
    1 1850
    2 2000

    The Peugeot plate is :

    3500
    6000
    1 1850
    2 2000

    As I understand it 1 and 2 refer to front and rear axle maximum weight and 3500 is the overall max weight. Both 1 and 2 added together make 3850 in both cases.
    What does the 6000 and 2850 refer to and why isn't the gross 3850.

    Sorry to be a numpty, but it is nagging me.
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    2850kg is the weight the van came out of the converters factory...the kerb weight.

    6000kg is the train weight......van(3500kg) and trailer(2500kg) maximum combined weight

    the 3850kg is the combined fully loaded axle weight...but you cant go over 3500kg.
    it allows for uneven loading of the van...IE: if you have 2000kg on the rear axle you can only have 1500kg on the front axle...or...if you have 1850kg on the front, you can only have 1650kg on the rear......or any combination of the two added up to 3500kg.
     
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    Thank you very much for clearing that up for me. :thumb:
     
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    MTPLM = maximum technically permitted laden mass.......or gross weight to you and me.

    MIRO = mass in running order........unladen weight as it drove out the factory gates, no goods or shattles.
     
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    By the look of it I will have to put all of our bits in the trailer. Seems like the only way I will get all of "the bosses" stuff in. :Doh:
     
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    the ideal gvw for a camper is about 5 ton . at least thats my thinking . the merc 508 always seemed to be ideal.
     
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    better than many......you can drag 650kg of junk around before going overweight.

    dont forget, anything you've added after leaving the factory, solar panels, tv (if it didn't come with one), extra battery etc all eats into your payload allowance....including water and your family...usually around 75kg is allowed in the kerb weight for the driver.
     
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    Thank you Pappajohn for some nice clear explanations.

    Have you ever thought of changing jobs and becoming a motorhome salesman you should do so much better than many currently doing the job as they appear to know too little
     
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    Hi John .. I thought that MIRO included the driver + 90% fuel + gas bottle(s) + 90% water and EHU lead.. ?

    edit.. just found this link

    http://www.a-tconsulting.co.uk/caravan_tech/payload_margins.html
     
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    Sometimes its not worth messing about with weights, although, if i remember correctly, my 3850 van was cheaper on tax (private hgv) than my current 3500, BUT,.....although another member on here had EXACTLY the same van, EXACTLY the same year,..because his was 3500 and mine was rated at 3850, HIS was LEZ compliant, and mine was not!!!!!!!!
     
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    it is a crazy world we live in
    as the right hand never knows what the left hand is doing :Blush:
     
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    Is that all ?

    That's less than 11st isn't it?
     
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