Gearbox Advise needed

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  1. creativeglenn

    creativeglenn Read Only Funster

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    Hi everyone we need help.
    Last year our 2nd gear was fixed,then 4th gear went and was repaired.
    Then the gearbox was faulty again so a recon gearbox was fitted.
    One year later just before Dover 4th gear went again now second.
    The gearbox yet again needs repairing.
    Could this possibly be another problem other than the gearbox creating this problem?
    Thanks for your time.
     
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    dellwood33 Read Only Funster

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    What model / year of vehicle are you having trouble with ?:Smile:
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    what were the various faults....crashing gears, jumping out, difficult selection.

    seems very strange to have so many box faults over two seperate boxs.
     
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    It would help enormously if you could let us know what base vehicle your motorhome is built on and what year it is. Having said that the catalogue of gearbox issues you have experienced is extremely unusual. Were the repairs all carried out by the same company? If so I'd suggest you try somewhere else as a first step.

    D.
     
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    Johns_Cross_Motorhomes Trader - Motorhome & Accessory Sales

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    Yes it does help enormously if Funsters would put all their details on their Avtars, then everyone would know where they are and what they have.

    Peter
     
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    Sorry everyone, the van is a 1999 coach built Fiat Ducato Auto Roller 1.9 turbo diesel.
    Initially it was the syncromesh between second and 4th that went.
    On the recon box we have now its the same problem.
    Its crunching into 4th and second is near impossible to put it into.
    So I am having to go from 1st to 3rd to 5th total nightmare.
    The company that repaired the gearbox then fitted the recon box were Tameside Transmissions but the warranty has run out on the recon box.
    They have agreed to look at the box if we get it removed but will naturally want paying on anything they do.
    Although I must say all work they did the 1st time round was done through Glossop Caravans under our 1st year warranty.
    All the repairs were unsatisfactory on the 1st gearbox the warranty company ended up sending a specialist investigator out to decide what action to take as the warranty company had paid for the initial repairs and like us were not happy.
    It just seems strange that now the same fault has appeared.
    In our minds its either poor quality recon work from the transmissions company or another fault!
    We are not pointing our finger at anyone but we just want this problem sorted once and for all as a gearbox should not keep going wrong should it?
    Could the clutch need changing?
    We are Manchester based.
    Thanks.
     
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    pappajohn Funster Life Member

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    Tameside Transmissions have been in business for the last 15 years so they should know what they're doing.

    please don't take this the wrong way but driving style could be a factor.....

    can you press the pedal right to the floor ?...it may not be apparent to you, but you may not be pressing it right down every change.

    do you change gear too quickly?....a commercial box is a lot more 'industrial' to a car box and changing too fast can overcome the syncro hubs and baulk rings causing damage.

    as Dave Newell said...try somewhere else before you start throwing money at tameside again and if its within your ability, remove the box yourself and save a few hours labour charge.
     
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    creativeglenn Read Only Funster

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    Thanks for the reply.
    No its not down to my driving style.
    I have gone through everything since we had trouble with the gears on this van.
    Even really nice slow changes full clutch down everything.
    IM afraid Tameside Transmissions have proved themselves to be nothing but incompetent (even the transmissions specialist found their work bad)and no we wont be going back there.
     
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    I would suggest that you learn the art of double de-clutching, until such time as you can get the gearbox repaired. The art once learned will stand you in good stead and reduce synchro. wear on future boxes.
    As has been pointed out previously these boxes are commercial gearboxes, and need to be driven as such.

    Pete:Cool:
     
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    Double declutching will ruin a modern box; summat to do with dog clutches and synchro not liking it.
     
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    agreed but as the syncro is already knackered in second and fourth pete's suggestion will make it easier to select these two gears.:thumb:
     
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    Easy fix! Pop your bonnet, and trace the big rubber pipe that collects water from your scuttle panel (Grill below the windscreen)

    Push this rubber pipe back BEHIND the gearbox. If you wish to extend it, or fasten it there, that is up to you!

    What happens is, this pipe dumps all the rainwater on top on the gearbox and mount area - your box fills with water and everything breaks up. First sign is the flickering speedo needle, then first will get a little crunchy, then second will get awkward and reverse will need teasing in.

    Common problem - dead easy fix!:Wink:
     
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    Papajohn: yes but Pete wrote this
    and it was that bit I was alluding to...:thumb:
     
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    In reply I have to say there is no evidence that I am aware of, that states that Double De-Declutching has an adverse effect on a Synchromesh Gearbox.

    So if anyone has evidence, I'll change my driving technique, taught me in the Army when I was a mere sprog.

    Pete:Cool:
     
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    because in a modern snchro box you will actually be making the synchro work harder than letting it do its work itself and this can lead to premature wear. Just think how a modern synchro works on a constant mesh gearbox when compared to a (stonger) non constant mesh box. If you blip the throtlle and create a further mismatch in speed the synchro has to work much harder.
     
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    I don't get this post, are you suggesting I actually do this or look at this as being the problem?
    How do I double clutch?
    What will happen if I just leave this and just drive it as is for now?
     
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    Double de-clutch is, clutch pedal down, out of gear, clutch pedal up then down again, select next gear, clutch pedal up, twice as much legwork on the clutch pedal. Also, l have never heard of water getting into gearboxes this way, what happens when travelling through rainwater, and we get plenty of that in the UK? Finally, l have not heard of damage being done double de-clutching.
     
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    get something other than a fiat have a look at all the probs with gear boxs mostley fiat based
     
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    Water in gearbox

    Hi,
    Water can and does get into the gearbox as the scuttle drain dumps the water right onto the gearbox and it can get in through the breather. I think it tends to happen when the van is parked up and also some motorhomes dump more roof water onto the windscreen than the original van. No manufacturer will admit there was ever a problem:Angry: but Fiat did fill all the webs on top of the box with silicone? I have had this problem but more to the point when I had a service at a Peugeot agent they filled the gearbox with the latest spec. oil which is thinner than standard gearbox oil and all the problems you have appeared on my van and vanished again when I had "normal" gearbox oil put in. I suggest that you have the gearbox drained and refilled with standard gearbox oil, don't go to a main agent, they charge about £60:Eeek:, then see if you have any improvement. Mine was sorted by Nottingham Clutch and Gearbox but they may be to far away from you,
    Regards,
    Chris.
     
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    Thanks for the replies.
    I will change the gearbox oil to normal gearbox oil and see how I go.
    The problem is even when looking at trading to a new motorhome a hell of a lot of them are fiat based vans.
     
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