Gas-low butane or propane

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  1. Annie21220

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    Hi We are about to pick up our very first Motorhome in the next two weeks... And just wondered what people think about the gaslow system.... And also butane or propane which is preferable...
    Many thanks
     
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    Gaslow is a very good system and propane the most popular, good luck with your motorhome.

    Eric
     
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    Gaslow is great
    Just remember to turn the taps off, on top of the bottles
     
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    When we bought the current van we had a twin 11kg Gaslow system fitted and we keep it topped up, though two cylinders would last for months to be honest. I think (but am not 100% sure) that the ga we fill up with at LPG garages is mostly propane (ie not pure propane). Anyway, although the system cost about £500 when we had it fitted, no more humping heavy cylinders and the cost to fill is so much cheaper. I think you can find lots of old posts and threads on this subject here, and there are other companies besides Gaslow who fit this sort of system. Gary
     
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    I am having the same dilemma as well. My new unit will have a hose coming through the bulkhead connecting to a regulator which then connects to the bottles. I only have a 7Kg Butane, as my others were nicked from the folding camper, but the garage says he will swop it for a 6 kg Propane as the unit comes with the propane connector as standard. I am used to a bulkhead regulator on my folding camper, so the single hose looks weird to me. As the unit hasn’t been delivered yet, I still have the options to change to refillables or remain with the single propane. The Sunlight’s online manual does state 2 x 11Kg capacity.
    So which one?
     
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    Hi @Annie21220, I picked my new van up back in May and it went straight to @eddievanbitz for several jobs but Gaslow was top of that list. My new van is far more Gas Hungry than the old one but I haven't had to lift a bottle since then.

    The gauge shows fairly accurately when one of the bottles is empty and filling it has varied between £6 and £8.30 but of course if it was the old exchange system, sometimes I would return a cylinder that still had some in it just to be sure I wouldn't run out whilst away; what a waste. I reckon that at £21-£24 a cylinder compared to NO Waste and around £7.00 for a fill without factoring in the hassle of carting bottles in and out I will get my money back in just two or three years.
     
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    If you are thinking of having refillable tank/s fitted, give this guy a ring, Dave Newell 01954 587702, he supplies and fits Gaslow or Alugas, and he is very competitive.
     
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    I have a fixed tank under the NH, but I have heard good reports of Gas-low systems. You need to to get the Gas-low cylinder(s) installed in your MH with a filling connector outside the MH, usually in the skirt. You then fill the cylinders at an LPG filling station, known in France as GPL, and sometimes called Autogas. This is usually propane but is allowed to vary a bit in warm climates.
     
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    Depends on your priority. We wanted less hassle filling up as we were going on a three month tour into France, Spain and Morocco and I just didn't want to be lifting heavy cylinders in and out (and it gets tougher the older you are of course). Then there is the fact that you cannot get straight replacements for the sort of refillable cylinders commonly used in the UK when you are abroad. I would always opt for Gaslow, or something similar.
     
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    If you get butane, which is doubtful, where are you going to fill them/it
    all fuel station LPG/autogas is propane...even abroad.
     
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    When we were tugging we used butane in summer and propane in winter as butane freezes @ I believe about +1 or 2 degrees C.
    We chose Gasit with an external fill point image.jpg image.jpg
     
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    "When we were tugging we used butane in summer and propane in winter as butane freezes @ I believe about +1 or 2 degrees C."

    Sorry to be a pedantic bugger but Butane does not freeze at that temperature. That is the boiling point of butane. Ambient temperatures around or below that will mean the butane does not boil and turn to vapour. Propane's boiling point is around -47 C which is why it will work all year round.

    D.
     
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    Fair enough Dave, so in retrospect butane don't work when it get cold, stick with propane. (y)
     
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    It's usually the regulators that freeze, anyway, isn't it? But on a Moho, with the regulator being more 'enclosed' than in the A frame gas locker thingy on a caravan, I should think that would be a lot more rare, wouldn't it?
     
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    No the differend gasses work at different temps, propane works at much lower temps.
     
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    Isn't LPG/Autogas at petrol stations a mix of propane and butane?

    The reason to use butane is it has a higher calorific value therefore you get more bang for your buck but below a certain temperature it will not 'gas' and stays liquid so is not suitable for really cold winter use.

    We are now looking to change from a caravan to a MH and are thinking about a gaslow system as we will not likely have a cooker with electric hob so our gas usage will go up plus I expect we will use more Aires in France etc. in future so have to power the fridge and hot water by gas.
     
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    We have had a Gaslow system fitted almost from the off. When we bought a new van 3 years ago part of the deal was the dealer had to move the system from the old van to the new.

    If you plan to travel in Europe (surely most motorhomers do?) for more than a few weeks then refillable cylinders really come into their own. Gaslow can supply all the adaptors so you can fill up anywhere. LPG from a garage costs a lot less than in a replacement cylinder from Calor etc.

    Paul
     
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    Think you will find that the LPG mix depends where you are and that in southern Spain the butane% is higher than in the UK. Also that altitude affects the boiling point. I used propane in the house in Andalucia as I was 2,000 ft A.S.L. and it got very cold in winter. I have a gas low bottle and a propane one in the MH. I plan to get a Spanish propane bottle as well when I go back to Spain. Bit of a pain having to carry an extra bottle, but I have the room.
     
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    This page attempts to give an indication of the propane/butane ratio of Autogas, but warns:
    This data should be seen only as to give you a perspective. Mixtures can vary from station to station and from company to company.
    http://www.mylpg.eu/useful/lpg-mixture
     
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    i changed my cepsa bottle wednesday. 12kg only 14.35 euro . usually in spain swapping bottles is alot cheaper than using autogas /gpl.
    plus its only about 4 quid to swap maroc bottles in morocco.
    you do really have to be using alot of gas even in uk to get your outlay back. in uk use a 19kg bottle much better price than the small bottles .
     
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