Gas cylinder in garage?

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  1. Chaumo

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    Our Chausson only has room for 1 gas bottle in the locker. Inevitably it will expire on a site without refills or whilst cooking. Alternatively we can change it near the end which seems wasteful. What is the consensus about carrying a spare gas bottle in the garage? (Don't want to go down the Gaslow route).
     
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    I've gone the Gaslow route, but I would think that as long as the bottle is secured really tightly there should be no problem........ but I suspect someone will come along and say differently...!!!!

    Think of should there be a collision whilst driving, is the spare secured and safe.
     
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    That's one of the gripes I have about the chausson I'm getting...
    I despair at the logic of the makers, fitting a single exchangeable cylinder ..
    Think I will go for underslung tank or if that's not possible get as big a refillable in as possible....
    Don't want to take up more space in the garage ...I'm already considering carrying a spare wheel in there as it doesn't come with one... Some of the logic of the manufacturers is lost on me lol
    Ta andy.
     
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    It's a very good route, well most of the time. Not quite so good if you want to park up for longer than one cylinder full, which can be under a week in winter but a month in summer.
     
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    Just my opinion..

    Provided the garage has a gas drop out vent, no electrical equipment, ie 12v lighting, charger, sockets, etc ... and the bottle is securely stored.. ok

    I would also ask my insurer .. they may have a different view..
     
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    Well I have carried a 6Kg cylinder in a locker for years for my BBQ's

    Considering that many gas lockers are not properly sealed inside to outside, and some are internal on panel van conversions I wouldn't loose any sleep

    The calor gas van that delivers the bottles to our campsite has loads in the back of his van as well lol
     
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    scotjimland Funster Life Member

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    I knew I had read it somewhere..

    these regs are for a locker where the bottle is in use.. rather than being transported..but I stick with my first post


    BS EN 1949:2002 Installation of LPG Systems – Specification for the installation of LPG systems for habitation purposes in leisure accommodation vehicles and in other road vehicles

    http://www.campervanlife.com/campervans/gas-bottles


    2. Cylinder Compartment

    2.1 Requirements for the construction of the compartment

    With the exception of 2.3 below, cylinder compartments shall be sealed from the inside living accommodation part of the vehicle and shall be accessible from the outside of the vehicle only.

    LPG cylinder must be positioned away from heat sources (exhaust system) as described in 2.4 below.

    The compartment must be designed so that cylinders can be secured rigidly (to prevent cylinder movement when the vehicle is in motion) and in the upright position with the valve uppermost (to ensure only gas [vapour] can be drawn from the cylinder and not liquid LPG). There must be means of securing cylinder/s at both high and low level.

    Access to any connections, changeover valves and pressure regulators must not be obstructed.

    Replacement of cylinders must be possible without disturbing any installations or ancillary equipment.

    Devices to secure cylinders in position must be able to be opened and closed without the use of tools.

    No appliances, components or fittings shall be installed in the cylinder compartment that can cause damage the LPG installation or ignite escaping gas. (E.g. batteries or uninsulated electrical components etc.)


    2.2 Cylinder compartments accessible from outside the vehicle

    Cylinder compartments must be permanently ventilated to the exterior of the vehicle.

    If the ventilation is provided only at low level, the ventilated area must be 2% of the compartments floor area, with a minimum of 10,000mm2. (E.g.100mm X 100mm). If the ventilation is provided at both high and low level the ventilated area must be 1% of the floor area, with a minimum of 5,000 mm2 (50mm X 50mm).

    It shall not be possible for the cylinder/s to obstruct the ventilation area.


    2.3 Cylinder compartments accessible from inside the vehicle

    For motor caravans where penetration of a type approved base vehicles bodywork would be required to provide external access, internal access to the cylinder compartment would be permitted providing the following conditions are meet:

    The compartment can contain a maximum of two cylinders each having a capacity of not more than 16kg.

    Access to the cylinder compartment from the inside living accommodation part of the vehicle is only provided via an attached sealed door or hatch. The bottom of such a door or hatch must be a minimum of 50mm above the floor level of the cylinder compartment.

    If the cylinder compartment accessible only from inside of the vehicle cannot be ventilated similarly to that referred to in 2.2 above, the following alternative arrangements must be made:

    Ventilation may be provided by a single duct providing the following measures are taken:

    Only one cylinder may be installed with a maximum of 7 kg.

    The duct shall have a minimum diameter of 20 mm.

    The maximum length of the duct shall not exceed 5 times the internal diameter of the duct, but may be extended to 10 times the internal duct diameter to avoid interference with under-floor flue outlets.

    The duct shall be at low level in the floor and resistant to LPG.

    The duct shall fall throughout its entire length to the outside of the vehicle.
     
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    But the question was about carrying a spare, unconnected bottle in a locker, The regulation doesn't mention that or for that example a Camping Gaz container for a Cadac or a CalorLite bottle for a BBQ or take it to the extreme the small gas cannisters so popular now.

    Also frankly most gas bottles are fixed down using plastic brackets, them selves fixed bysmall self tappers or rivets though thin gauge aluminium, and a thin cheap bit of webbing so absolutely no use in a crash
     
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    I have carried a calor lite in my locker for backup also a small stove with disposal can esters. No problem
     
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    yes Eddie.. I acknowledged that and stand by my first post

    you and I both know what WE do and what we advise may well be different..
     
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    True!

    I would be far more worried about the people with eFoys running around with Methanol in the motorhomes!!

    BOOM!
     
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    Oops

    I have both

    BOOM

    Martin
     
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    We have a single Gaslow 11kg cylinder in our Chausson. We have diesel water and space heating.
    Despite having a refillable, we have done 2 weeks abroad and not needed to refill during our trip. In fact, we had about 30% left.
    The fridge and cooking use very little gas compared to heating.
    Is your heating and hot water diesel fired? It would explain why Chausson didn't bother with a twin cylinder locker.
     
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    Spot on Jim, garages are sealed to the outside world but often not to the habitaion area.
     
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    Basil Brush! (y):ROFLMAO:
     
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    .. also, many have duct air heating .. a duct that could also vent leaking gas back into the Truma when it's lit for heating water.. .

    yes, I know .. very low risk.. but worth being aware of..

    like others, I have broken lots of safety rules .. for example, carried Calor bottles in the car boot.. I knew the risk and was prepared to take it..

    but when giving advice you can only advise to the best of your knowledge what is safe and legal.. not what you have done or not done and got away with..
     
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    I always carry a spare in my garage, usually wedged between bikes. I also carry a large bottle of gas in my work van for roofing work, sometimes I have to roll that one out of the way to make way for other tools.
     
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    I too carry a spare bottle in the garage. It's no different to carrying a bottle in the back of a works van.
     
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    "Cube" gas bottle in the garage ..... Just the job the corners stop it going too far !
     
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    It is as there are different rules for commercial vehicles & quantities that can be carried of multiple gases.
     
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