Gas bottle refill

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  1. martin & shirley

    martin & shirley Read Only Funster

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    Hi, we have just taken possession of our new Northshore fifth wheel. Included were 2 empyt 11.4kg white refillable gas cylinders, I have just been to my local BP garage who informed me I cannot fill them there. Has anybody filled at a BP garage as I was told by the dealer that it could be done there. If not able to fill them there does anybody know where else I can try.

    Many thanks

    Martin & Shirley
     
  2. hallii

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    They (garage) are not allowed to fill cylinders but you can fill them yourself if they are fitted into the vehicle with a proper external filling point (just like an LPG car). In other parts of EU the rules are different and there are places that will fill anything.
    Hallii
     
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    Hi

    We kinda had the same issue we got our 5th wheel 2 weeks ago, we new that it normally comes with white cylinders, so we opted to have a gaslow system fitted, however at the time we did not realise that the 2 cylinders were mounted either side of the unit. we are sorted now as gaslow also sell a 2.5 meter connection stainless steel hose so that we can connect 1st cylinder to second. We have kept the US regulator and just had the gaslow end connections changed so they fit the regulator.

    I am sure other more experienced funsters will come along and also provide good advice. I also understand that there is an adaptor that you can buy on ebay for filling, but as you say some garages dont allow bottle filling with such devices, as the proverb goes each to there own. I know from the area we come from the 3 garages that sell LPG come out a check that you filling into a fixed filler connection.

    Having said that we dont want to take the 5ver to a garage each time we need to fill up gas bottle so we have also fitted a gaslow filler socket and bracket into the pick up.

    I also think that as the us cylinders also have a 80% cut of you may also be able to fit the fixed filler connection. If we had been aware of this then we would have gone that route.

    Its a big learning curve lolololol

    Regards

    Ant & Debs:Smile:
     
  4. lebesset

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    post a picture of the connections on the bottles
     
  5. vwalan

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    all the required fittings to give you a bulkhead fitting can be got at several places
    rpi engineering ,autogas and many more even gaslow can supply them.
    off topic ..bes have butane regulators on special at moment buy two get one free very cheap. think it was under 6quid for the three.
     
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    Thanks alan for info. its been a few days of pulling hair out :Rofl1: because ours is an american import it has 2 gas lockers, one on each side of the 5ver. One locker contains a fairview 2 stage auto change over regulator. The other contains a propane regulator which then runs between the lockers in a low pressure hose and then connects to the fairview regulator.

    However looking on the wildcat forum many owners have had a problem that the auto changeover fails to recognise the 2nd cylinder due to the second regulator being fitted and have removed it. I am trying to find out if the system needs the 2nd regulator. Mind you my knowledge of LPG is very much nil:Doh:

    Ant & Debs
     
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    some systems use two bottle top regs but one gives a greater pressure so that works first when that bottle runs out the other bottle takes over . i suppose they might be not bottle top regs and still work.
    i like two bottles with two manual taps ,then when one runs out you know it.
    am suprised you didnt use your american bottles they are for refilling.
    putting a fill point in the pickup is a good idea .but its really a joke to have to do it.
    another good place is combined gas systems in warrington. i was speaking to a terry daves there only this week .they are agents for my lpg pump and are getting me a spare seal kit . he tells me they do everything lpg wise.
    cheers alan
     
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    Thanks alan

    To be honest i did not know that the american bottles were 80% cut off, Had I have known then I would not have brought Gaslow system. Well we live and learn :Rofl1:

    Ant & Debs
     
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    well i,m sure you know my view on bottles .i,m not telling you.ha ha. hope youhave lots fun in it anyway .winter is only round the corner .have van will travel .will you be out playing this winter?
    cheers alan.
     
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    :cry: Yes, we are planning to leave UK for Spain Mid Sept ish :Smile:
     
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    Filled my gaslow up today 20 litres, £9 at autogas etruria, stoke on trent.

    John.
     
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    Our 5er had white bottles when we bought it. Once they were empty we tried loads of places to get them refilled but no one would do it. In fact we were told they were illegal in this country (something to do with what they were made of if my memory serves me right) so we changed to calor.

    Al
     
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    there as always been a dont fill bottles thing going on in uk. you can get nice plastic ones now.
    its like petrol tanks at one time anything but steel was banned but now you find it hard to get a steel tank on lots cars. and petrol cans.
    in fact every bottle being filled is supposed to be strapped in to the vehicle. but if you dont ask and dont wave it about you can fill them. if its connected to a outside bulkhead fitting slip a strap over the bottle bobs your uncle, done.
    get a tank in your garden they tell me its cheaper.
     
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    Found a local garage this morning that sells autogas so went along to see what we could do. They said that they could fill the cylinders but the bayonet fitting that screws into the cylinder would not lock onto the nozzle on the pump seems to be slightly to long although the fitter at the garage said it looked the same as others he had seen.Will have to see if i can get a couple of millimetres taken of the end and hopefully that will do the trick.
     
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    we have been filling our 'white' bottles for some time-------but we only do 1 at a time and do it VERY discreetly-----DON'T ask---- just do it (they may say no!!) have never been stopped --yet.
    our adapter came from WWW.abp-accessories.co.uk
    Make sure they know it's for US bottles, Maybe not cheapest but they work !!
    Nigel & Pamala
    BTW IF we stay in one place for a few weeks in winter, we intend to set up an 'extendastay' and use big calor bottles
    10 am 73 F in Houston
     
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    when I had an american motorhome it had a fixed tank with acme thread

    but I remember people coming to the same pump and filling bottle on trailers like yours with the same fitting

    don't your bottles just have acme fittings being american ?
     
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    Yes the bottles have a screw fitting for the gas pipe on the van, and the adapter that i have for filling screws into the valve i belive it is called a Dutch Bayonet this is the part that will not fit onto the pump at the garage.
     
  18. lebesset

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    in that case it is simple , you have a faulty adaptor ; the dutch bayonet as used in uk is a standard size as are the pistols on the pumps ...make them change it for a properly made one

    incidentally , for reasons unknown to anyone but themselves , BP have decided that you can't used adaptors at their stations

    adaptors are a normal part of many installations for LPG powered vehicles , so they are forbidden from going to a BP station

    ludicrous ...I presume people just ignore BP ,I always did when I ran an lpg powered vehicle
     
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    That was my thought on the adaptor will have to try and change it.
     
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    just a thought , but I have known the dutch adaptor to be badly made in so far as it was too short ; it all depends on how far inside the acme thread the thread for the adaptor is

    in other words is it that you cannot push the pistol on far enough to twist it around the lugs ; if so , you need a longer adaptor
     

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