French garage refused us GPL Why?

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  1. Jac Sprat

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    Why won't some French garage fill LPG? We've had it few times the last 3 weeks. Clearly we're not migrants or hooligans with our Hymer. What is the problem? They seemed scared!
     
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    Never ever had a problem filling up with lpg in France what system do you have .
     
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    They can refuse if they suspect or know it is for 'cooking' and and not propulsion..

    If your filler is inside the gas locker it's a dead giveaway..

    I was refused at one outlet in France when they saw me lifting the locker door to fill the LPG tank on my RV..
     
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    It's puzzling as it might be due to different taxation rates but my quick reading suggests gas for transportation/propulsion is more highly taxed than gas for domestic use. If it was the other way around I would understand the refusal.
     
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    I agree with @scotjimland. I've always understood that if your filler valve isn't a fixed part of the outer wall of the vehicle you can be refused LPG, not just on safety grounds but for taxation purposes, as technically it's vehicle fuel rather than a domestic fuel.

    Maybe go to supermarkets instead?
     
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    This question was raised in 2011 .. and a member posted the question on the CampingcarInfos forum..

    the Fun thread ..http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/filling-lpg-gpl-onboard-tank.32422/page-2

    and the post on Cmapingcar infos http://forum.campingcar-infos.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52681&p=581947&hilit=gaslow#p581947

    the reply translated by Google


    The regulations for liquefied petroleum gas for recreational vehicles now allows the use of a single service pressure equal to 30 mbar.
    LPG (butane and propane mixture) must be contained in a conventional LPG tank (cylindrical, or vertical as HOMEGAZ). the HOMEGAZ systems can be installed in the gas box, under the chassis or in the passenger compartment with a waterproof case (optional). the HOMEGAZ systems must be attached to the vehicle by metal straps, hooks or legs making them irremovable (European Regulation R 67 01). Filling HOMEGAZ is via an external port attached to the vehicle body. The installation must be done by a professional. The operating pressure of LPG (butane, propane or LPG) for different devices is 30 mbar (DO 1949).
     
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    What's the problem with it not being for propulsion? Is there a law against? I don't get it.
    The reason we have been refused (ie that they have seen) is we have needed to ask for help as it keeps splurting out the outside of the valve. We haven't quite got it sussed yet (newbies)
    Any idea by the way why that is happening ? When we attach it it seems good and solid.
    It spurted out once when it was full and once it spirt out at the start and we had to stop and go for help. We wear heavy gloves as advised on here. I don't know why it's so hard. Any advice appreciated.
    Zepp ~ We have LPG cylinders next to each other behind locker door - single valve leading to two bottles.
     
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    Thanks Scotlandjim
    Our cylinders comply with that all the way!
    How would supermarkets be any different?
    We're going to have to sort this out as we are full timing.
     
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    Thanks for the thread
    It was 2011 though and most people were saying they had no problem. What does it cost to have the system adapted to filling from an outside socket - has anyone done this?
     
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    Re spurting gas..
    this is probably why they refused to let you continue or try to fill.. t's impossible to say why this is happening without inspecting..

    a visit to a motorhome dealer to have a look over may be the best bet..

    it is possible the French filling gun was faulty or worn.. once you have used up some gas try filling at another station..
     
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    On 3G but Google "French lpg adapter" which shows you how to fit and use.
     
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    ah.. new information.. yes.. have the filling point fitted outside the locker.. any decent dealer will be able to do.. Not knowing about labour costs in France can't estimate the cost.. but allow an hours labour..
     
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    If you are using a screw on adaptor make sure it isn't being loosened as you attach the filler. This can happen if the gun is at say the 8 o'clock position as gravity can pull it down to 6 o'clock unscrewing the adaptor a bit. I attach the filler so it is at the 4 or 5 o'clock position and gravity then keeps it tight.

    And the filling port must comply with this (from above translation)

    Filling HOMEGAZ is via an external port attached to the vehicle body.
     
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    Make sure both your bottles are turned off also check the seal on your french adaptor is not split or missing also make sure its a nice snug fit before you lock it on.
     
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    Thanks for both pieces of advice
    Scotjimland do you mean any Hymer dealer or any car mechanic can do it? We are in the Dordogne right now
     
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    DBK I bet that's what we did.
     
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    Do your cylinders have an 80% auto shut off? (Spurting when full?)

    Are you attaching filler hose directly to cylinders? (Big no no in France, we have been checked several times, to ensure "you are not filling bottles")

    Apparently they have an incident a cpl of years ago and all filling stations were advised that people were filling inappropriate bottles. Understandably they now check and if your gas is "spurting" then you're going to get a "non"
     
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    No we are not attaching to cylinders but a central filler.
    People have refused us when we asked for help and they came and saw the cylinders
    They didn't witness the splurting
     
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    It's the cylinder "sighting" that makes them nervous, the attendants aren't going to recognise an "approved system" so are going to play it safe and refuse.

    External filler is the way to go (or don't ask for help!!)

    Make sure you are screwing the adapter on properly (hand tight) and that your adapter has a decent o ring in place.
     
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