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Big bus man

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I have a theory, those that can afford a new car fitted with fog lights have the intelligence to know how and when to use them, however, when these vehicles are on their 3rd or 4th owner the brain cells of these people are different, many seem to believe fog lights are for use in rain and some for visual enhancement of their pride and joy, and lets not forget to mention those that use them as an alternative to their main lights if one is not working.
Me, I have grown up to believe fog is a dense mist that becomes a serious visual hazard, something I might see in the south once or twice a year, I can only assume my eyesight is so fantastic I can see through most fog, like many cyclists!!
 
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Some motorists must have special vision - the ones who switch their fog lights on because of poor visibility but can see well enough to travel at 70+ on motorways and dual carriageways.
 

scotjimland

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many seem to believe fog lights are for use in rain

if visibility is seriously reduced.. yes..

Highway Code:

Rule 226
You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).

Law RVLR regs 25 & 27

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I really enjoy sitting behind those with their foot on the brake when stationary, especially on a wet night.
Oh dear, now I'm off, also those that wait facing oncoming traffic (on my side of the road) with full beam in my face as I struggle to see beyond them
 

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I have a theory, those that can afford a new car fitted with fog lights have the intelligence

Unfortunately your theory fails at the first; since when did wealth align with intelligence?

Sadly the converse is more usually true.

(...and anyone stupid enough to buy a new car probably just can't find the switch :cautious:)
 
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I really enjoy sitting behind those with their foot on the brake when stationary, especially on a wet night.
Oh dear, now I'm off, also those that wait facing oncoming traffic (on my side of the road) with full beam in my face as I struggle to see beyond them
Unfortunately unless you are going to be stationary for some time it is not practical to put the handbreak on, anyway automatic cars have to sit on the breaks on. My cure for glare is good wipers and a smear free clean of the internal glass.
 
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Unfortunately unless you are going to be stationary for some time it is not practical to put the handbreak on, anyway automatic cars have to sit on the breaks on. My cure for glare is good wipers and a smear free clean of the internal glass.
theres a neutral on an automatic and hand brake should be applied when ever you stop
 
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theres a neutral on an automatic and hand brake should be applied when ever you stop
In neutral you can still roll so I guess 'park' is the one you should use but that is the same as using a handbrake, in slow moving queues you would not use your handbrake even if the highway code says you should, we are all rebels :xdoh:

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Unfortunately unless you are going to be stationary for some time it is not practical to put the handbreak on, anyway automatic cars have to sit on the breaks on. My cure for glare is good wipers and a smear free clean of the internal glass.

I have always been led to believe automatics should not be left in drive if stationary for longer than ( from memory ) 30 seconds as it can cause extra wear on the brake bands.. ( Of course this is not the case for tiptronic type boxes only true automatics )
 

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I have a theory................

It's not quite so easy today, how do you tell the difference between a fog light and a daytime running light ?

I think it's a one point offence to use fog lights incorrectly but with no cops probably not many points given.
 

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The powers that be can make up as many laws, rules and regulations as they like, but as is the case right now there aren't many officials out there to enforce them so the chances of the disrespectful tw@s getting caught sadly are tiny.

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scotjimland

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is the case right now there aren't many officials out there to enforce them so the chances of the disrespectful tw@s getting caught sadly are tiny.

I'd say zero..
I drove into Woodbridge last night.. an 8 mile trip on a dark country narrow road with no street lights.. probably passed about 20 cars coming the other way... and THREE had only ONE headlight.. and that's quite common now.. beggars belief that people think it's ok
 

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I'd say zero..
I drove into Woodbridge last night.. an 8 mile trip on a dark country narrow road with no street lights.. probably passed about 20 cars coming the other way... and THREE had only ONE headlight.. and that's quite common now.. beggars belief that people think it's ok
And that one is off set as well and blinds you!!
 
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I have a theory, those that can afford a new car fitted with fog lights have the intelligence to know how and when to use them, however, when these vehicles are on their 3rd or 4th owner the brain cells of these people are different, many seem to believe fog lights are for use in rain and some for visual enhancement of their pride and joy, and lets not forget to mention those that use them as an alternative to their main lights if one is not working.
Me, I have grown up to believe fog is a dense mist that becomes a serious visual hazard, something I might see in the south once or twice a year, I can only assume my eyesight is so fantastic I can see through most fog, like many cyclists!!

No, there is no difference. If you can see the car behind 's lights then fog lights aren't needed. 100m or less as jim said.

Unfortunately unless you are going to be stationary for some time it is not practical to put the handbreak on, anyway automatic cars have to sit on the breaks on. My cure for glare is good wipers and a smear free clean of the internal glass.
That's why your discs warp. creates a 'hot spot' that doesn't cool equally as the rest.
Stop ,for whatever reason handbrake on. & no auto's don't need to sit with foot on brake pedal. That's just lazy *****.mine is auto. stop, handbrake on .

It's not quite so easy today, how do you tell the difference between a fog light and a daytime running light ?

I think it's a one point offence to use fog lights incorrectly but with no cops probably not many points given.
No sure it is 3 points.


As an aside. I found out by accident that the way to overcome the glare from someone's rear foglights, allowing you to see the brake lights the instant they are used, is to put on full beam. Removes the glare completely. They might not like it but if they don't know how to use them & when to turn on off etc; hard luck.

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I'd say zero..
I drove into Woodbridge last night.. an 8 mile trip on a dark country narrow road with no street lights.. probably passed about 20 cars coming the other way... and THREE had only ONE headlight.. and that's quite common now.. beggars belief that people think it's ok
Don't think they even check them to see if they are working!
 

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I have always been led to believe automatics should not be left in drive if stationary for longer than ( from memory ) 30 seconds as it can cause extra wear on the brake bands.. ( Of course this is not the case for tiptronic type boxes only true automatics )

When a standard with a torque converter automatic is stationary in gear there is no slip in the transmission the clutches are locked on any slip is in the torque converter after a very long time the fluid could get hot but your foot on the brake will be well tired before that.
 
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Had one the other day, a Citroen Saxo, about 6ft off the bumper of the car in front at around 40mph, a young female no seatbelt and phone in hand which was on against the steering wheel, I know this because I saw here coming in the drizzle with her fogs on :madder:
 

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I receive a pension from that period of my life now (but still working). I always treated people's incorrect use of their lights or failed units (under the old con & use regs) as an invitation to chat. The subsequent smell of drink prompted further action and a remarkable number ceased driving for periods up to 3 years. Hope none of my old customers are on here.

Sadly the job has become a degree entry thing recruiting totally unsuitable people who are afraid (with exceptions) to do the job. Hence the lack of plods on the streets, proper traffic policemen (I had a white ice cream salesman's hat when I was in the the car, had to carry it in the pannier when on the old R80), I used to love being on MRP issuing GV9s and chatting to visiting HGV drivers. I never ceased to be amazed how little they knew about their braking systems and with the lack of automatic drains the failure to drain tanks would leave them very oily and black while I stood at a safte distance. Loved checking tachos, all automatic now.

Happy days, it will go full circle but not until the tree hugging, yoghurt knitting, sandal wearing, window licking brigade finally wake up. (I always was amused at their change of approach to offenders after they had be burgled or attacked)

Good to get that off my chest - please resume normal thread, must be time for my medecine. Nurse, nurse ......

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I thought I must be losing it as I find it increasingly difficult to drive at night especially in the wet. I find it difficult to see and take in what is happening as I am dazzled by all and sundry. However I have come to the conclusion it is because the number of vehicle has gone up considerably, the Super bright Xenon headlamps and the LED marker light and the facility to adjust the beam from within. It seems very few people do that and leave on the high setting . I get it from behind in the mirrors, from the front directly and reflected from the road in the wet. Bloody awful and the moron in front that does not know about handbrake and leaves the rear brake lamps lit, probably with a fog light too. Another blinder is the Police cars parked up at an incident with the super bright Strobes going at maximum intensity an a very high flash rate faster than the rate we see at, blinding everyone and his dog, for half a mile back. Good lights are good but too many is not good. It is the shear number of lights hitting you and you are also expected to notice the pedestrians in dark clothing and Cyclists the same, but with no lights either. I try and avoid the rush hour now to get away from the problem.
 

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Im old school if you don't need fogs turn them off.

I have been known to use my rear fogs when some prat comes up behind me with there front fogs on.
I have also put main beam on when the t**ers drive towards me with fogs on, depending of course what the cars are approaching.

Ohh how i miss lots of traffic police patrolling like the good old days.
Safety cameras don't stop these knobs with the fogs on grrr
 
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I get it from behind in the mirrors, from the front directly and reflected from the road in the wet. .
I solved the "behind" problem years ago. mirror film tint . Just blinds the people behind you whilst leaving you oblivious to their lights even if they put them on full beam.
Always fitted it on every vehicle I used & my works vans.

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One Issue would appear to be that once the switch is ON. people forget that they are ON. So the next time the car is used, they are still ON. What is required is (are) a system similar to a Lock relay. Where once the power is removed (ignition off) the relay locks out the light. requiring the switch to be switched OFF and then on again to reset the lights.

The solution to Cleve`s problem would appear to be the issue of an AK47?

Gus; does the film be affected by the heated Rear screen or not?

Pete
 

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Good job the car in the ASDA advert is not on the roads.

AK47, small bore, need something that makes a statement.....:xblush:

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I really enjoy sitting behind those with their foot on the brake when stationary, especially on a wet night.
That may start to happen more & more (if that's possible:)) because a number of modern cars fitted with automatic start / stop systems rely on a foot on the brake to keep the engine off. Our Smart car does just that.
 
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I thought I must be losing it as I find it increasingly difficult to drive at night especially in the wet. I find it difficult to see and take in what is happening as I am dazzled by all and sundry. However I have come to the conclusion it is because the number of vehicle has gone up considerably, the Super bright Xenon headlamps and the LED marker light and the facility to adjust the beam from within. It seems very few people do that and leave on the high setting . I get it from behind in the mirrors, from the front directly and reflected from the road in the wet. Bloody awful and the moron in front that does not know about handbrake and leaves the rear brake lamps lit, probably with a fog light too. Another blinder is the Police cars parked up at an incident with the super bright Strobes going at maximum intensity an a very high flash rate faster than the rate we see at, blinding everyone and his dog, for half a mile back. Good lights are good but too many is not good. It is the shear number of lights hitting you and you are also expected to notice the pedestrians in dark clothing and Cyclists the same, but with no lights either. I try and avoid the rush hour now to get away from the problem.
Front & rear foglights (IMO) date back to when headlights had no definite dip cut-off and rear lights were like burning cigarettes. Neither problem exists these days & some thought should be given to removing what are (again IMO) redundant lights from new cars. Mind you I also think that sidelights are enough on well lit streets for the very reason you suggest - headlights hide pedestrians & cyclists.
 
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Not much difference between DLR lights and foglights , at least foglights have a low cut off beam so dont dazzle but some DLR lights are very bright .

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