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Discussion in 'THE BEGINNER' started by fliowerman146b, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. fliowerman146b

    fliowerman146b

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    i have a coachman catalina with an onboard gpl tank for heating water and cooking. i have just bought an adaptapter from autogas 2000 to enable me to fill the tank in france/italy. i am told lots of stories that you cannot just pull into a fuel service station in france and fill up from the lpg/gpl pump. i am told you need a special certificate, that lpg is not suitable for use in an rv for cooking/heating etc and you can only go to special pumps at camp sites. has anybody please had experience recently in france?
     
  2. Xabia

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    I don't think you need to worry. The problem which has recently been publicised concerns an isolated event in South Eastern France and involved a situation where the owner of the motorhome had to open his gas cupboard door to connect the filler hose to his Gaslow bottles.

    You have a fixed tank which will presumably have a remote filling point and I am sure you will not have a problem. The LPG is perfectly suitable for cooking/heating.

    I have fixes an AUTOGAS sticker above my remote filling point and do not anticipate a problem refilling my Gaslow bottles when next in France.
     
  3. Philippft

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    Mike, are you sure this was Gaslow bottles!
     
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    In all my travels in France with the RV and filling the LPG tank I have only been refused once..

    Attendant came out and asked if it was for cooking, when I said yes, he said it was only for LPG fueled cars.. I didn't argue.. no point ..

    There is no difference in the gas, but I think the tax (in France) is less for vehicles than for domestic use.. not sure about that .. maybe that was the reason..


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    long running thread on the darkside about filling LPG bottles in France .. apparently they have banned motorhomes at some stations from filling up bottles in lockers, due to a recent fire..

    This is all third hand info.
     
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  5. barryd

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    There is a massive thread about this on FACTS right now. It seems they are tightening up on filling cylinders of any type. If you have a filler on the side of the van then I think you should be ok. On a few occasions the attendant has come out to see what we were filling and when they saw the hose connected to the side of the van they switched on the pump. I suspect if I had the gas locker door open they would have refused.

    I even heard of a refusal in the UK the other day as well.
     
  6. ScotJimland

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    snap...

    I must have been editing while you were posting.. yes, it is a looooong thread :Laughing:
     
  7. SteveandSue

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    Lpg

    We have just returned from 3 weeks in the French Alps and had no problem filling our Gaslow bottles, and we have no outside filler.
    One service station required me to leave my passport while we were filling.
    Think they had had somepeople driving off as it was a large busy services.
    We were suprised how many of the garages now have gas.
    Have a good trip and don,t worry.
    Sue
    :thumb:
     
  8. slobadoberbob

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    Never had an issue in Europe

    I run a Winnibago Aspect with on board chassis tanks for LPG for heating and cooking... Never had an issue on all my travels, and I have driven RV's in Europe for over 20 years. No one has bothered me once.

    At motorway petrl stations they just turn on the pump once you hit the delivery button.

    I think you will find the issues are about refillable bottles not fixed tanks.

    Bob:thumb:

    As a yank owner have you visited the sister site? RVOC .. www.RVOC.co.uk run by the same people as MHF.. But only yanks..:thumb:
     
  9. barryd

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    I suspect the France issue with Gaslow or refilable bottles is a storm in a tea cup (Hopefully)
     
  10. Xabia

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    Hi Phillip,

    Yes, definitely Gaslow bottles, this started the very long thread on facts.

    Mike
     
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    Oh sugar - our Gaslow filler is inside the locker, made sense to us as don't have to sell the bottles with the van, new owner can please themselves and won't have an extra hol in the side of his van.

    Anyway, we filled it up at a Shell station on the motorway and the kid came out and went apeshit because, he said, it would explode. He was a bit late cos it was full by then anyway. And we took it off the pump and parked it adjacent to the building whilst we went in and ate a leisurely lunch.

    It hasn't exploded yet, that was well over 6 months ago, do you think it will now?

    :Rofl1:

    It does worry me though, we bought it to solve problems not cause them!
     
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    :BigGrin: just returned from france,, i was asked for a safty cert for my gas low tanks before filling up at a lpg pump, you will now see french cars with a cert in the windscreen if they are lpg run, because the french law now says they must be installed by a gas fitter and inspected every year with the mot ??? twice i filled up and was asked,lucky the gas low man gave me one on the check 2 months ago when he did the check, saying you will need this abroad soon ????? he was right,i saw two dutch m/h turned away,seems that all the super markets are doing it,the dutch guys tryed to argue but the woman said she could not as its all on camara boy was i lucky to put it in the odd n sods paper work ,,,
     
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    The only way to test a tank is to remove it from the vehicle and put it on specialist pressure test equipment. There is no way an MOT could cover this. Security, loose pipework, rust, gas leaks yes.

    I was given a safety certificate when my tank was fitted by MTH in 2006. I went from there to Conrad Anderson to have a gas generator fitted and it was this company that found and fixed the leaking system. We later found MTH had fitted the wrong type of tank and I had to return to them to have a new tank fitted. So a safety certificate to me means nothing. MTH have since closed down so the guarantee they issued is worth nothing. MTH had all of the certificates of competence displayed on the wall and I went to them on reading an article and recommendation of their workmanship in a motorhome magazine..

    Tanks should be removed and tested every ten years. The French company that supplies a system like GasLows says their bottle tank should be cleaned out ever 40 months and preferably at 20 months. How many GasLow tanks have had this done?

    This is necessary according to them, because oil is introduced into the autogas by the compressors that keep the gas liquid. The LPG is the same as that sold in gas bottles. I can only presume that these same oily deposits are accumulating in all tanks.

    John
     
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    Is there any chance you can post a copy of the certificate on here? Gaslow have offered to send a certificate of conformity to anyone who emails them with their Cylinder serial numbers to sales@gaslow.co.uk (ref MHF thread) Im interested to see what you presented and if its one and the same. Was it in English or French?
     
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    Haggis, just got round to reading your quotation:

    "It is a puzzling thing. The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling."

    It's a novel variant of "All Cretans are liars. I am a Cretan..."

    And so life rolls merrily onwards and upwards...
     
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    Hi Mike,
    Sorry for being a pain but i have been following this thread and the only information i can find about the actual incident is as follows;

    The lassie came out of her booth and told us that camping cars (for those unsure that's the name used by the French for campervans) weren't allowed to fill up, and this had come about a month previously where there had been a fire. I had the pump connected externally so it wasn't as if the pump was fitted to the bottles themselves with some Heath Robinson style mechanism. Now you have to add in my somewhat questionable French, but she spoke some English too. Apparently they had been sent a letter telling them not to allow camping cars at the GPL pump. The girl them walked over to the pump itself and along with the no smoking and no mobiles warning stickers there was one which showed a gas cylinder with a pump and a red line through it, obviously meaning no filling of bottles. This was a sticker I hadn't seen on the pumps before and mixed with the girls comments I believed they were something new. When she had mentioned it being a month back the issue arose I thought it might be a new law passed at the turn of the year.

    Can you tell me which page you read that states Gaslow bottles were in use when the fire started.

    Thanks in advance,

    Philip
     
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    Hi Philip,

    It was the first post by ricster on the thread currently 'temporarily closed' on facts.

    Mike
     
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    Sorry Philip, I misread your post, no mention of Gaslow bottles in the alleged fire, in my post I was referring to the fact that the original poster had problems refilling his Gaslow bottles. I have two Gaslow bottles myself and am totally confident in their safety, just concerned about refilling problems when next in France.

    Mike
     
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    I spoke to Mark at CLS on another issue this afternoon and whilst on the phone ...... anyway! - he said he spoke to Gaslow this very morning about this issue.

    They said they have checked and it does appear to be true that the French are stopping us fill up unless we can produce a certificate so they are currently getting a document translated into French which says basically that their system and its filler complies with all European regulations currently known to man blah blah blah. (Whatever it needs to say) This will be available - as soon as it's done! - as well as the English certificate.

    They don't know exactly when yet - so don't ask! but soooooon.

    :thumb:
     
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    Mike, thanks !

    Below is the first quote made by Ricster ! It makes no reference to Gaslow or the fact that bottles were being filled when the fire broke out!

    Guys, we've come across a problem with GPL in the South East corner of France (as of yet we don't know if it's a country-wide issue). Pulling into Leclerc and Carrefour service stations both have warnings that we can't use GPL to refill our bottles - the standard Gaslow installation. We were through France in November and there were no issues, now there are both the signs on the pumps as well as us being stopped by an attendant.

    Has there been a new law passed that stops the refilling of the gas bottles? The attendant that stopped us explained that there had been a fire about a month ago and that was the reason it was banned. That was at a Leclerc in La Boulou just North of the Spanish border.

    We are about to hard neck it in another Carrefour station and see if we can get away with it as we've got no heating or cooking without it, and Jan/Feb isn't the kindest months for the weather even down here on the Med.
     

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