Fiat verses Mercedes.

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  1. Wurn

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    Hi all,we are looking to buy a Cheyenne 635SE and most come with the Fiat 2.8 engine in the ones we have been looking at ,but now we have found one with the Mercedes 2.7 engine.Any pros and cons experience information on the difference would be most appreciated.As this will be our first motorhome we dont want to make a horrible mistake!!
    Cheers Paul.
     
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    No contest, the Merc engine will still be running years after the Fiat has been replaced twice. The merc chassis is renound for longevity as well. My own beast is 28 years old, never been welded and solid. Engine as sweet as a new one. Nuff said.
     
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    I am biased towards Mercedes, Ihave read many articles about problems with Fiat vehcles, both mechanically (reverse gear judder) for example and poor Service from Fiat agents/garages. Mrecedes don't have many problems (RWD) and you pay a hefty premium new for the Mercedes version of any motorhome- the old addage- You only get what you pay for - springs to mind. In the end of course the decision is yours.
    Good luck in your choice,
    Cheers, Dave:thumb:
     
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    I have a Rimor Superbrig 627 Auto on a Mercedes Sprinter 313cdi 2200cc Turbo Diesel Automatic 6 berth............................

    Peter
     
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    Merc every time... for longevity, service, reliabilaty.
     
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    Only thing I can say is
    We have just got rid of a Autotrail Scout on a Mercedes after 6 months because the back Axel's are too narrow which caused it to wobble especially on motorways and roundabouts or any wind about. The Mercedes engine is very good. Before the Mercedes we had a new Fiat multi jet 130 and that wouldn't reverse up hill either. We are now on our third motor home in a year and thats a Burnster on a Renault 2.5 engine and its BRILL.
    If you do buy a Mercedes we have brand new used 4 times genuine silver screens to fit.
     
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    Another good thing going for the Merc. is the timing chain, so no nasty timing belts to worry about.

    Ken
     
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    We have a Peugeot X250 which apart from water dripping onto the engine cover now fixed has been OK, far superior drive to the old 2.8JTD. Looked at the Merc based Marquis Devon but we did`nt like the price, the look of the cab in or out and the noticeable sagginess in the suspension when entering throgh the habitation door which translates to me to being very wobbly at speed. Regarding longevity of engine do you want a van to last forever, if you do a merc is probably a better bet.
     
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    Hi,

    On a motorhome I would rather have an ALKO chassis no matter who's engine is pulling it, and i would think that for most motor-homes you are really unlikely to wear-out the engines on any of the base vehicles be it Fiat, Ford, Peugeot or Mercedes
     
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    i agree with braunston......an alko chassis has a wider rear track than any standard chassis so is more stable in corners and sidewind.
    and its galvanized rather than painted.:Smile:

    power plant is optional but it must be alko chassis'd:thumb:
     
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    Braunston has hit the nail on the head.
    I have both,Fiat & Mercedes & to be honest both seem ok,don't be "bedazzled" by the three pointed star on the bonnet :Wink:
     
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    We have the x250 and yes it does have a slight judder in reverse uphill (Fiat phoned yesterday to say I will hear within two weeks to have the "fix" done) This vehicle is a dream to drive and the judder doesn't bother me, how much reversing do you do in a motorhome? There is no "roll" when driving and you don't even notice when wagons overtake you. There is a lot said about the judder on Fiats but for some reason the Merc owners don't create about it's faults. Like the p*** poor brakes or the lolling about on the road and there is no attempt by Merc to correct this. The service I get from my Fiat dealer is second to none, they are excellent. There are many "old" Fiat motorhomes around with 250000 miles or more on the clock. So as has been said "don't let the three pointed star" bedazzle you. :BigGrin:
     
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    Fiat verses Mercedes,

    Thanks for all the replies.I have driven a Mercedes Vito 2.3lt. van for 10 years covering about 180,000 miles with very little trouble apart from the front discs going out of shape fairly regularly,which was common on our fleet of 5 vans.So it looks like the chassis is more important,pardon a newbies ignorance here but what is a ALKO chassis and do Autotrail fit them to all vans or years?
    Thanks Paul
     
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    Hi,

    Here's a link to their UK web site which may explain better than I can, but in short ALKO make chassis for caravans and motor-homes and have done for quiet a number of years, when fitted to a motorhome what normally happens is ALKO obtain the base vehicle bare chassis and then cut off the section behind the cab and fit a one of theirs and then the motorhome converter puts the caravan bit on top of it.

    I am sure someone can explain it better but have a look at the link, they also make other towing equipment so you may need to filter through some of that on their web site

    Hope that helps

    Al-Ko Kober


    This link may be better

    http://www.al-ko.co.uk/chassis-general.htm


     
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    Drive both chassis and form your own opinion. I have had a Sprinter and now have a
    Fiat. Too many folks have never driven or owned both and are quick to point out the merits of one over the other from a position of prejudice and ignorance. Not all, but some.

    Both that I have owned have been excellent vans but if asked I much prefer the driveability of the Fiat. The brakes are better and it does not wallow around in the way that my Sprinter did. And I like the AL-KO chassis.

    But, my Mercedes Dealer was better, albeit at a higher cost, and I did like the chain driven engine.

    Remember that the best wine in the World is the one you enjoy the most and that might be from the cheaper end of the market. Same with motorhomes. Try before you buy.
     
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    one problem that has been highlighted on here by dave newell concerned the boxing in of rear axle grease points on some alco chassis with an Autotrail body. This resulted in axle failure. Not all models are affected but do be aware of it. I obviously cannot compare the ride of my 1981 van with that of a modern one, however have never noticed it wallowing or having any handling problems. mine was a commercial vehicle chassis designed to take much more weight than it currently carries. You will find that Mercs have a greater payload and higher rated axles etc. (should you wish to carry a motorcycle etc).
     
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    I've been under ours a couple times with the MOT guy, we were both mighty impressed at just how solid the chassis is and at 5 years old last time, not a hint of not being new. Amazing.

    In Morocco, I don't know how it survived, they re-define rough roads and there were many times we hit ROUGH and then some.

    This is pre-X250 so a van to be looked after until they start delivering judder free new ones. Not that I would buy a new one, mugs game, let someone else take to first big hit on depreciation. On top of judder, there does seem to be a tendency to put style by use of thin plastic over substance. Give me substance any day. I think I've just talked myself into making this our first and last motorhome. Only 20K miles now, I don't think we will ever wear it out.
     
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    Mine's a 5 year old Burstner as well but with the Star. Equivalent Fiat van has ALKO and the new prices were near identical More storage with ALKO, more power with Merc. Better handling with ALKO, better on grass or towing with Merc, R.W.D.
    Mine was tested at the end of February and was as clean as new underneath as well.
    Seemples, pick what suits your needs , I did. :thumb: MERC !!! :RollEyes::shout:
     
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    Merc every time....you know what FIAT stands for....Fix It Again Toni.....:Wink:
     
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