Euro 5+ or 6 fiat (1 Viewer)

[Spidey]

We are thinking of changing motorhomes is it worth waiting for the euro 6 and pay more or buy a euro 5+ cheaper?

 

[MC 55 FUN]

We are thinking of changing motorhomes is it worth waiting for the euro 6 and pay more or buy a euro 5+ cheaper?

Will the same engine be in both ?

 

[The Wino]

I can't see the resale value being any different so if they are the same otherwise I would go for the cheapest

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[Howard H]

If the euro 6 comes with an adblue system I personally would avoid it like the plague if my experience with our trucks is anything to go by

 

[MR. FUSION]

If the euro 6 comes with an adblue system I personally would avoid it like the plague if my experience with our trucks is anything to go by

Oh dear, certainly would not like anything like that rubbish to have to deal with !!!

 

[MC 55 FUN]

As far as emissions are concerned - the lower the Euro number the better the diesel engine will be

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[Hellski]

By no means an authority on the matter and only relaying what I've read on tinternet but I believe Fiat are looking to release their Euro 6 engine avoiding the use of Adblue.

Personally, I've placed our order based on the 5+ to avoid the price hike on an engine that pleases officials within the EU, rather than the end users.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Some more info on Euro 6 base vehicles here http://www.practicalmotorhome.com/b...letin (28.4.16)::Read_3_1&utm_source=20160428

 

[martin2603]

Whether you choose a five or six they run at a higher temperature to clean the dpf, which means you have to drive it at 3 to 3.5 thousand rmp for at least half an hour regularly to clean the system otherwise the yellow light will come on. If you do a lot of motorway driving at 65mph that will help. Personally I have a euro 4, less hassle all round. I certainly would not buy a Euro 6 until they have been tried and tested other than on a test bed in the lab! Ad blue only be present in HGVS , another running cost to be absorbed. My Euro 5 truck uses 25litres per week at 70p per litre.

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[MR. FUSION]

Whether you choose a five or six they run at a higher temperature to clean the dpf, which means you have to drive it at 3 to 3.5 thousand rmp for at least half an hour regularly to clean the system otherwise the yellow light will come on. If you do a lot of motorway driving at 65mph that will help. Personally I have a euro 4, less hassle all round. I certainly would not buy a Euro 6 until they have been tried and tested other than on a test bed in the lab! Ad blue only be present in HGVS , another running cost to be absorbed. My Euro 5 truck uses 25litres per week at 70p per litre.

My FIAT ducato euro 5+ has a built in cleaning system which is activated by a sensor, it does not rely on running at a certain temperature. If it decides to clean itself there is a message light on the dashboard.

 

[Judge Mental]

I live in London so was waiting for 6..they keep tightening regs all the time

 

[Deneb]

which means you have to drive it at 3 to 3.5 thousand rmp

You could get in a lot of trouble by driving at 3,500 Royal Miltary Policemen

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[Deneb]

Ad blue only be present in HGVS

It's on quite a few passenger cars. Mercedes, VW and Peugeot come to mind as some that I've seen recently.

 

[Newfie]

All new Fiat Ducato based MHs now come with the euro 6 spec engines
Picking up our new Benimar on 1st September with the new 2.3L euro 6 engine.
You can read more here
http://www.fiatprofessional.co.uk/u...mtid=brnlyvuyd0&slid=&product_id=#pageBlock02

 

[Hellski]

Further to my earlier post, Fiat have adopted the Adblue system on their Euro 6 engines.

I've recently collected a new Burstner that was one of the last units to be fitted with the Euro 5+ engines and discovered it has the latest styling tweaks, Manual for Euro 6 models and includes the blanked off fill point for Adblue, which is located below the fuel filler.

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[Newfie]

Fiat Professional has announced that it will just be using EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) technology to achieve the Euro-6 emission standard, which is due in September 2016. So far, the Italian company is the only manufacturer not to use SCR (selective catalytic reduction), and will therefore not require the addition of Adblue solution.

Instead, Fiat is using an enhanced version of EGR, called Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation (LPEGR), which draws exhaust gases downstream of the turbocharger and returns them upstream of the compressor to reduce emissions.

Using LPEGR requires fewer components and no Adblue tank, which means the payloads of the Euro-6 Fiat Ducato aren’t affected as much as its competitors.

 

[DBK]

Fiat Professional has announced that it will just be using EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) technology to achieve the Euro-6 emission standard, which is due in September 2016. So far, the Italian company is the only manufacturer not to use SCR (selective catalytic reduction), and will therefore not require the addition of Adblue solution.

Instead, Fiat is using an enhanced version of EGR, called Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation (LPEGR), which draws exhaust gases downstream of the turbocharger and returns them upstream of the compressor to reduce emissions.

Using LPEGR requires fewer components and no Adblue tank, which means the payloads of the Euro-6 Fiat Ducato aren’t affected as much as its competitors.

I wonder if the new Fiat Euro 6 engines use integrated exhaust manifolds in the cylinder head? This is a relatively new idea which promises less problems with blocked catalytic converters as the cat can be fitted closer to the head and this means the exhaust gas enters it at a higher temperature.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Fiat Professional has announced that it will just be using EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) technology to achieve the Euro-6 emission standard, which is due in September 2016. So far, the Italian company is the only manufacturer not to use SCR (selective catalytic reduction), and will therefore not require the addition of Adblue solution.

Instead, Fiat is using an enhanced version of EGR, called Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation (LPEGR), which draws exhaust gases downstream of the turbocharger and returns them upstream of the compressor to reduce emissions.

Using LPEGR requires fewer components and no Adblue tank, which means the payloads of the Euro-6 Fiat Ducato aren’t affected as much as its competitors.

Go FIAT .......no blue pi $$

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[MR. FUSION]

Further to my earlier post, Fiat have adopted the Adblue system on their Euro 6 engines.

I've recently collected a new Burstner that was one of the last units to be fitted with the Euro 5+ engines and discovered it has the latest styling tweaks, Manual for Euro 6 models and includes the blanked off fill point for Adblue, which is located below the fuel filler.

Who is correct? I could not find any info on the FIAT website.

 

[Newfie]

There is nothing on the Fiat web site for Adblue as they do not use it on the Ducato base vans at this time

 

[Newfie]

Just found this on the Adblue site but nothing on Fiat site
http://myadblue.co.uk/blogen/brands/fiat-diesel-models-and-adblue/

As of 2016, no Fiat model has SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) technology that uses AdBlue®liquid solution. In 2017, the new Euro VI standard will require manufacturers to further reduce nitrogen oxide emissions from diesel vehicles. In response to this new regulation, the Italian subsidiary of the Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) Group intends to adopt SCR catalyst technology.

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[Deneb]

Adblue is in use on the passenger Ducato (minibus) and has been for a while I believe, which is why there are references to it in the current Euro 5 owners handbook published May 2015. My understanding is that it is not being implemented on the van and truck versions, which will use SCR.

 

[busby]

Think i will stick with my not EURO anything,,,it will make life easier,,BUSBY.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

My Sprinter base uses Adblue, I put 9 litres in to do 2400 miles. cost of 12 euros in Ireland. If you buy it in Halfrauds it is twice that, but my friend get it in bulk tanks for his truck and it is 35p per litre, in a garage that has it on the pump it is 65p per litre. you must have a magnetic filler though to stop it going into another container by mistake.

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[Hellski]

As mentioned in my earlier post, I have the latest hand book relevant to the euro 6 engines now being fitted and it clearly states the use of Adblue. The location of the fill point is just below the fuel filler cap.

Edit: I've just read Deneb's post, so will be interesting to hear what Newfi has on collection of their new MH fitted with the Euro 6 engine?

 

[Phillybarbour]

The 2017 model year New Ducato Euro 6 engines do not use Adblue. The mini bus version did from last year only because the new rules re Euro 6 came in earlier for passenger vehicles than commercial vehicles and the new Euro 6 engine was not ready. They therefore adapted the Old engine to run on adblue to make it compliant otherwise they would not have been able to sell mini buses. It was a short term fix only. The 2017 model year mini bus gets the new engine with no adblue.

 

[MR. FUSION]

Think i will stick with my not EURO anything,,,it will make life easier,,BUSBY.

Only if you dont like parking in cities and driving through ever larger environmental zones.....

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[Newfie]

Hi guys went up for a 2 hour overview of the new euro 6 fiat based MH.
I checked & there is no Adblue tank. As @Hellski previously stated, there is a blanked off filler pannel below the diesel filler. I asked the dealer who said he knew of no plans to add Adblue to fiats 2016/7 range, obviously this could change in the future.

 

[Hellski]

Thank you for confirming @Newfie and enjoy the new MH