Electric dog Collars.

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  1. haganap

    haganap Funster Life Member

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    Please dont judge me its only a question.

    Since I came back from a recent meet whereby Tara had an altercation with a medium sized black dog after it attacked her she has gone absoloutly doo dally at the site of one. She has always had a thing about Motorbikes and getting aggressive towards them but I have always been able to cope with that.
    However now, she has become completely mad toward other dogs that are large lab,collie size. She has attacked 3 in the last week and practically pulled me over today in her attempts to get at another owner who owns one.
    This is something completely new, anyone who knows her would see how placid and fun she is with other dogs normally so I cant work out whats happened. I have tried the ignore, dont let her face it type of stuff but she will not take any notice. I am now having to keep her on a lead at all times which I really don't like doing.

    Anyhow, I have been reading about electric dog collars as a training aid. I have seen they have been banned in Wales, but have read some very good stuff about there ability in training this sort of behaviour, especially the situation with say motorcycles. I note that Ceaser millan uses a form of shocking by using his hand for his famous "tisting" Although I note that It would be cruel to use it on a puppy, can you see any bennefit in using it as a correction aide? It is really distressing to see how aggressive Tara has become with these dogs, as well as embarrasing and Im not talking about using it to teach her circus tricks.

    So anyone used one and anyone have any advice?

    TIA
     
  2. tommytli

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    we have a bichon frise then never sut up yapping so i bought 1 of these, every time she yapped it beeped to warn her after 3 beeps it give a slight shock and if they carry on the shock increases there is 5 differant shock levels, our dog only got shocked once and that was enough, the warning beep after that was enough.
    i tried the shock on my hand before the dog and it wasnt bad before any 1 starts.
    the collar was used for about 2 days and the problem was sorted and she only yaps when any other dog would ie someone at the door etc
     
  3. laneside

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    laneside

    There will be all sorts of differing views on this subject and I have to agree that they are not suitable to be freely available for use by the majority of the general public.

    I have used one for one specific vice i e sheep chasing which could not be tollerated in this part of the country.

    Like the previous post I tried it on my self first to see how severe it was (not very) I only ever shocked her twice and the problem was completely resolved.

    If I had known any other method I would have used that instead and I would hope that someone like K9Brian off here comes up with a better solution for you.

    Did I find it cruel No

    Would I use it again Yes

    Would I lend it to anyone to to train a puppy NO NO NO.

    P.s Good ones are not cheap and you must let the dog wear it for at least a week before ever pressing a button, it must associate the shock with the vice not the collar


    Alan
     
  4. DESCO

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    Totally agree with laneside, never had to use one myself but have seen them used, seemed to get very rapid results from my observations.

    If I had a problem would not hesitate to use one, after all it is for the dogs own good as this could lead to all sorts of problems if left unchecked.


    Dave :thumb::thumb:
     
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    I had trouble with Amy and tried a few training classes that helped.

    Tara in normally an ACE dog as we have experienced on the meets.

    Shame we have none for a while for her to socialise again.

    Not keen on leccy devices.

    Good luck Paul (your going through a crap time to:Sad:)
     
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  6. Road Runner

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    Jim may be of help and as already said K9brian
     
  7. Douglas

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    Do they do decorative ones for woman?

    Doug...
     
  8. scotjimland

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    dunno Doug.. but I bet some school teachers would like them fitted to the 'so called ' dysfunctional kids .. ones that have a 'clinical' disorder :RollEyes:

    short sharp shock :thumb:
     
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    :Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Eeek:


    In my day it was known as the board rubber, once was enough for most:Rofl1: It missed me (just) but did the job anyway:Rofl1::thumb:
     
  10. Geo

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    First train the owner, then train the dog
    Sorry Paul not with you on this one
    Spent a fair amount of time with German Shepperd's, and at 18 month to two years old they try it on in many forms, especially who's the boss syndrome Stern voice commands is all it takes, if the owner and dog are both trained together
    You unfortunately took Tara on as a rescue dog and lost the best opportunity training her as a pup
    Back to school me thinks for you both:thumb:
    Geo
    ps if its recommended by a professional trainer then so be it:cry: but it would need to be an exceptional case
     
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    Oh Paul, I'm sorry this has happened. Tara is so beautiful and we all know her from the meets as a friendly, laid back dog.... If she was a rescue dog it makes you think maybe it suddenly brought back memories of something from when she was a puppy?

    Personally, my first thought was NEVER use an electric collar as there must be other ways of training them out of bad habits, but then when you think of times when other dogs have gone for my own little dog when out walking I think I would have gladly zapped THEIR dogs with a lazer beam!!!!:Angry: Also, as Alan says, near sheep I would rather zap my dog than have her shot.

    I would try local training lessons first, but I think that might be difficult as time is precious to you now with your new education venture. Hope you manage to get it sorted. It would be so sad to see Tara having to be tied up .. she is a cracker.
     
  12. Terry

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    Hi Paul while I agree with Geo :thumb: Tara is just too big a dog to take any chances with :Eeek: The dog lads in our village use them on some of the bad dogs for a few days with good results - indeed the owner of such a devise hires it out for the price of a drink - Tara needs a firm grip now or you may end up having to have her put down :Eeek:She is only doing what comes naturally :Wink: You should see Max with rats after he was bitten by one :Rofl1::BigGrin:
    terry
     
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    Awww poor Tara.

    Its amazing what can traumatise pets.

    Have you spoken to your local RSPCA officer for some advice? Its worth doing and/or your local dog training unit before resorting to electric shock treatment.

    There may be something much kinder out there that will work.

    Good luck with whatever route you decide
     
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    Put a muzzle on it whilst it is being trained :thumb:
     
  15. Patrick

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    Hi Paul,

    So sorry to hear the news about tara!

    We hope you can get her back on track. I don't see the problem with using the collar device. I have also read up on there use and if you use it properly it is only needed for a short while. tara is too big to take a chance she won't do it again if she’s of her lead.

    I would never like to see our Max hurt in any way but i would use one of the collars on him if it would make him a safer dog in the same situation!
     
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    Jan how is it working on Patrick:Wink::Laughing::Rofl1::Laughing:
     
  17. JockandRita

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    Can I order 74, delivered by 15.00 this afternoon please, before I pick the "wee darlings" up and take them home? :Rofl1:

    Seriously Paul, I do hope that whatever method is advised by expert trainers, I also hope that with their help, you and Nikki can return the lovely Tara to her old "good natured" self. She is a cracking dog.

    Regards,

    Jock.
     
  18. ehuplad

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    Sorry to say this paul (but you proberbly already now it).

    It is not the dog that needs training the dog knows what it is doing, it is the human.

    You may not be aware (as i do not push the fact) I recently did a dog listner course and got invited back to do the advanced version so now am qualified to teach the method.

    I would suggect that for now you continue to walk Tara on a lead until you can learn how to see the signals and listen to what your dog is telling you.

    You need to reaferm the fact that you are the pack leader, a dog continously checks if you are capable to do this job, if at any time you fail, the dog will look to take this role although it does not want to, it thinks it must have a pack leader to survive.

    The dog has 3 options when confronted with danager, freeze flee or fight, normally Tara did not see an other dog as a threat but it looks like this is now the case. the fight option is normally the last resort as the dog knows it could be hurt.

    I would reccommend a book that you should read and then get back to me, after you have read it and put the proceedures into action, with any questions or quieries.

    I also have a DVD that helps you see what is trying to be achieved by the book, let me know if you want to go down this route, if so i will send you the title of the book and lend you a copy of the dvd.
     
  19. scotjimland

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    Hi
    I would be interested in reading this book.. can you pm me the details ?

    cheers
     
  20. haganap

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    Thanks Mike,
    What I can't work out though is why this morning she attempted to have a go at a big blcak dog over 100 ft away. The dog was with its owner walking away from us. Before she might of made a fuss to go and play with it but this am it was an attempt to go and attack it in an aggressive way. I have read a few books when we first housed Tara as she was as batty as a fruit cake and just wanted to play with everything and had never been socialised. I can't see I have changed my behaviour in any way, so where does that fit in with your theory? or are you saying I have changed it sub consciously?
     
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