DVLA License rules to go unchanged

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  1. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

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    In spite of mounting pressure from groups demanding changes to the license system for motorhome drivers, the Driver Vehicle Licensing Authority (DVLA) has announced that no changes will be made to the current system.

    Currently, the C1 license is required for motorhome drivers with vehicles over 3.5 tonnes and is held by commercial vehicle drivers.

    Motorists who passed their test after 1 January 1997 were denied the addition of this on their license, in comparison to drivers prior to 1997 who were automatically granted the C1 license.

    This has left many people infuriated that if they wish to drive a larger motorhome, they will need to take commercial vehicle training, which includes driving a 7.5-tonne lorry.

    Calls for a different category which would include larger motorhomes have been quashed by the DVLA, with the current rules set out by EU legislation.

    A DVLA spokesperson explained: “There are no plans to introduce a motor home specific category.”

    “A motorhome falls within the definition of a goods vehicle, which is defined in Section 3 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 as a ‘motor vehicle or trailer constructed or adapted for use for the carriage or haulage of goods or burden of any description’.

    “If a trailer has a maximum authorised mass (MAM) between 3.5 tonnes and 7.5 tonnes a category C1 driving licence is needed; if the MAM exceeds 7.5 tonnes a category C driving licence is required. Category C+E entitlement is required for vehicles over 3.5 tonnes with a trailer over 750kg.”
     
  2. artona

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    As happy as I am that I do have the C1 by default I agree with the descision.

    It would be nice to see some clarrification on RVs over 7.5 ton though and maybe a new section for those
     
  3. GJH

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    Isn't it the case that the classifications are based on the size of vehicle rather than use - and that driving vehicles over 3.5 tonnes would tend to require extra skill notwithstanding their type?

    Given that the possession of a driving licence is a privilege rather than a right I also agree with the decision.

    Graham
     
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    Or, you could say the DVLA's interpretation of our driving licence laws goes unchanged:Smile:
     
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    :Rofl1: dont be fooled ,dvla will not change them the eec will,and have all ready put in place the changes and given a date of april for the uk to implement them,but if they dont no motor homer will not be able to drive in the eu with out the right cat of licence there,, im sure the french will willingly do the dock side check and give the fines as well,its in the cpc ammendments of august, just another thing our great goverment is hiding as it also says the ones with granfather rights will have to take a test ie, medical and driving.
     
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    Minor point Niggle.

    If you know about these impending amendments how do you conclude that the government is hiding them? :Smile:

    Graham
     
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    I have the pre 97 grandfathers rights on the C1+E and think this is right in that any retrospective changes at the time would have created considerable difficulties. That said greater skills are required for driving a 7.5 ton vehicle and if a new motorhome category had been introduced then extra driver training would have been sensible. This again would have required a roll on of grandfathers rights.
     
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    I don't understand this, surly if you have past the tests and meet the medical requirements and you are not baned then it is your right!

    Doug...
     
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    :BigGrin: not going to a long drawn arguement ?? i posted the ammendments in august and got shouted down by others,, any one with a cpc or deg in transport or opperating licence gets the amendments sent to them or can down load them i got them in august ?? [ not for public use ] ,if its true what is said at the begining of the post ,,,the transport minister is hiding the true facts about the changes because they are sent to the goverment minister,s first so that they can implement the way they change the law and how they do it,, i have work colligues in france, belgum, who are aware of them all ready, but nothing in the uk press,, by the way cheif ins,and motor traffic police in the uk are aware but not allowed to publich or comment on them ???? i work within the transport sector
     
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    No point is there.

    Nothing we say or do will make a jot of difference. We may as well just save our energies in learning to live with, comply or get round the new regs.
     
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    It's pretty clear to me. Certain things are a right, such as freedom and the right to travel and the right to be tried by a jury of one's peers. We take such rights for granted but, in many countries, mainly communist, these rights are not available.

    Other things are a privilege that must be earned. One example is the privilege of owning a gun. It isn't a right in this country but, if you can prove that you legitimately have a need for one and you satisfy requirements, you will be granted a licence to own one.

    This is the same with a driver's licence. No one is entitled to one as of right. You must earn it by proving that you are competent to drive a vehicle in a particular class and by proving that you are physically and mentally capable.

    Once you have proved your capability you will then be granted a licence but, until you have satisfied the relevant authorities, you have no right to simply demand that the state issues you with one.

    If you want to be pedantic you could possibly argue that, having satisfied them that you qualify, you then have a right to a licence. Well, of course you do, but the point that GJH quite clearly made was that being able to drive a 7.5 tonne vehicle without the correct licence is not a right, it's a privilege that must be earned.
     
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    What Northerner said - he beat me to it :Smile:

    Graham
     
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    well what can you say Jim?


    OK read and noted... just glad I have a C1 + .. but it is interesting to note that they want to make it 6 tons not 7.5 tons from 2013.

    That is going to cause a lot of American owners issues. I am OK as my Winnibago is 5.5 tons.

    Interesting set of posts and views.

    Bob:Eeek:
     
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    Surely a Motorhome is a passenger carrying vehicle not a goods vehicle. The proposals for reducing the speed limits stated this. When I took my PSV way back I took the first one in a 12 seater and was limited to that number of seats. I then did it again on a double decker and was allowed to drive any size of PSV then.

    Why do you have to drive a 7.5 ton wagon to be able to drive the equivelent of a small coach its not the same type of vehicle at all.

    I have C1+E grandfather rights but only for a couple of years more then I will have to have the medical.
     
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    I can see this one going down the same route as Aframes and the 101" width restriction. Its always been my belief not to rock the boat in these situations.
    Not that it will affect me in any way.....unless they start making RVs over 44000kgs.
     
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    if you all read on,,,, the mgw of the vech is before a test is taken 3 tonnes the same as a luton box, after that a test and medical are required,, same as hgv,psv,,i i think the age limet is 55 or 60 then med every year same as rest of euor ,, ive just had medical and now has to be done by independant doc not your own one and you pick up your med records in sealed packet to give to them,,it will also be required to send a copy of the pass cert to your unsurance company to assess your risk ??? higher prices me thinks :Rofl1: its a big mine field,,,, but it will prove sevral thing you are safe to drive ??? you have no ill ness ??? proff drivers have had to do this for years to earn a living,, just because you want a big r/v or motor home its still a killer in the wrong hands ????
     
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    Niggle can you write in slightly smaller print please, finding it hard to read your postings in such large print.

    Thanks-:Wink:
     
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    Anyone that passed their test prior to Jan 1997 has already earned the right by law to drive a vehicle up to 7500kg gvw . This was recognised by allowing grandfathers rights to protect those that had qualified. Anyone passing their test following Jan 1997 would have to meet the new requirements.
    If retrospective changes to the law were made eg building regs we could not keep up with it.
    Unfortunately the Euro State will remove many of our rights and the only sensible way is out !!
     
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