driving licence group B camping car

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  1. lebesset

    lebesset Read Only Funster

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    in france , the reduction of the standard driving licence to 3,500Kg took place on january 20th , 1975
    but since 2006 people who held their licence previous to that date are entitled to change to a licence B- camping car which allows them to drive camping cars only in excess of 3,500Kg

    clearly this is permitted under EU law .....doe such a licence exist in the UK , or are there any moves to introduce it ?
     
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    hi lebesset google dft.which driving licence do i need. think that tells all uk web only. if not let me know .not too smart at putting stuff on here, but do know lots of answers .cheers alan.
     
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    In England we have a similar situation those of us who have the earlier licence can drive up to 7.5 ton or 7500kgs
     
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    the 'earlier' licence roger refers to is pre 1997.....allows up to 7500kg.
    known in the uk as 'Grandfather rights'

    after 1997 it allows 3500kg unless a further test is taken.
     
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    holding a uk licence I am aware of that , but at 70 you need a medical to maintain that

    but in france this is available to those who qualify who have a B licence ie a 3, 500Kg licence
     
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    is it kept automatically or do the french need a medical as well.
     
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    anyone who had a licence before the quoted date can apply for it I am told
    no medical , doesn't expire
     
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    sorry didnt realise you had a uk licence.......yer profile doesnt give much clue as to where you are or what nationality. :thumb:
     
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    I thought it was a total of 8250KG...?
     
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    the 8,250kg is a train wt. not vehicle weight. we can drive larger stuff on d1+e ,no wt limmit or train is greater on b+e there again 3.5 +trailer any wt so long as you dont exceed train of the 3.5 tow unit. complete stupidity as i see it.
     
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    Hi,
    If your car test (Category B) was passed prior to 1977 you got a licence qualifying up to 7.5 tonnes gross weight. To keep this the grangfatjher rights jobbie grants category C1. You will also find on these licences Categories B+E and C1+E. The "+E" entitles you to tow a trailer in excess of 750Kg.
    Without the C+E entitlement you may still pull a trailer not exceeding 750kgs gross weight.

    (Cat B without +E entitlement qualifies for a 3.5t vehicle towing a 750kg trailer, total combination being 4250kgs.)

    The total permissible weight of the vehicle / trailer combination is age dependant, irrespective of the licence category held:
    You may not drive combinations exceeding 3.5t until 18 years old, or combinations exceeding 7.5t until 21 years old.
    Therefore, provided the poster has a pre 1977 car licence and is over 21, he will have a licence with category C1, but no C+E. He can drive a vehicle of 7.5t gross and pull a trailer of 750kg, the total combination being 8250kgs gross weight as already mentioned

    Here's where it gets wierd ( if it isn't already!)
    With a category B only licence you may pull a trailer exceeding 750kgs, but in this case the total combination of vehicle and trailer may not exceed 3.5t irrespective of age.

    A bit involved, but hope it's useful
    Cheers
    John P
     
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    hi and welcome to the fun.....:thumb:

    correct in every respect except the dates.

    pre/post 1997.....not 1977.
     
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    John P

    Hi Pappajohn,
    Sorry!....typing error. 1997 it is. I shouldn't get it wrong, I teach Road Transport Law amongst other things. I will tell meself off good style!
    VWALAN:
    Category D1+E is not a larger vehicle than is qualified by B+E.
    If you check out your licence, you will find that D1 is a minibus.
    D1 restricts the user to a vehicle with a max number of seats, age will restrict in other ways.
    Cheers
    John P.
     
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    if you have a pre 97 licence then you got b+e ,that allows upto 3.5ton vehicle pulling a trailer of any wt as long as the train of the towing vehicle is not exceded.
     
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    easy mistake...:Doh:

    nice to have someone onboard with firsthand knowledge:thumb:
     
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    john if you have d1+e on a pre 97 licence using grandfather rights it as a restriction 101,119.
    101 is not for hire n reward .119 weight limit does not apply.i am looking at a licence of a pre 97 . its not mine as i have c+e, d+e etc you would be over 21 if you passed your test before 97.
     
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    got my licence infront of me.......

    groups.... with endorsements

    A
    B
    BE
    B1
    C1
    C1E 107
    D1 101
    D1E 101..119

    just what can i drive....?
     
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    a=any m,cycle with or without sidecar
    b=m vehicle up to 3,5+trailer 750kg
    b+e veh up to 3,5 towing ant triler not excedeing train of unit
    .b1=3wheeler or light4wheeler

    c1=3.5to 7.5 towing 750kg trailer.
    c1+e=c1 veh towing up to 12.000kg restriction 107not more than 8,250kg.
    d1= mini bus between 9and16 seats towing 750kg.101 not for hire n reward.
    d1+e=d1 towingupto train oof 2.000kg 101 not for h/rew.119 weight limit does not apply.

    think thats it
     
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    Full list here Driving tests passed before 1 January 1997 : Directgov - Motoring

    my question : what is the maximum number of passengers I can carry?

    03 reg
    1 x front passenger seat
    2 x front facing diner seats with belts
    2 x rear facing diner seats without belts
    rear second dining area with u-shaped seats

    Registration cert (V5C) doesn't have any data listed for (amongst others)

    S.1 - number of seats
    S.2 - number of standing places (cooking while travelling :Wink: )
    F.1 Max mass
    G Mass in service
     
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