Do you use Apple Music Service? If so read this please.

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  1. Gromett

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    I read it and was concerned until I read this ..


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    On Wednesday, I saw a post widely shared about an unfortunate individual who lost half of their local library and was blaming Apple Music for automatically deleting their local files.

    I sympathize, and I'm very glad this person had a backup of their music, but I want to dispel some FUD here: Apple Music has definite problems and its matching algorithms aren't great, but this is simply not how the service works. Apple Music should never automatically delete files off your primary Mac's hard drive unless you specifically delete them first.



    http://www.imore.com/no-apple-music-not-deleting-tracks-your-hard-drive-unless-you-tell-it


    http://www.imore.com/no-apple-not-adding-drm-songs-your-mac-you-already-own
     
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    I hate iTunes, especially since Apple Music started. Now when I search my own music on my phone, the first suggestions are options to buy music I've searched for, music I already own. You can stop it going on line but it keeps reverting. :doh:
     
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    I hated the changes to the Music app as well until I found out how to switch it off the online services. Mine only shows music stored on the device now and so far, touch wood, has never reverted.

    I have Spotify Premium included with my phone contract so have never really looked at Apple Music.
     
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    @scotjimland I stopped using iTunes years ago when it messed up my library of ripped CD's.

    The linked blog post may have used the word steal incorrectly. However there is definately an issue with people "losing" their music either to misunderstanding the software or bugs in the software. I think my warning is still valid and that keeping a FULL backup of your music library is recommended if you link your personal collection to a cloud service....

    I keep my music collection in 3 places. 1 live, 2 backup on the same computer (second drive) for quick restore and 3 on a USB HDD stored elsewhere in case my van burns down....
     
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    @Gromett whether you use iTunes or not, backing up your music is good advice.. .. I also have mine on three places..

    but no one has had their music 'stolen' by Apple..
     
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    http://www.macworld.com/article/306...ple-music-doesnt-delete-your-music-files.html

    I don’t know what happened to Mr. Pinkstone’s music files. Somehow they got deleted; whether through user error or by another application. But I know that this is not how iCloud Music Library works.

    Whatever the cause of this incident, it highlights the need for backups; fortunately, Mr. Pinkstone had a backup of his music files. I maintain three backups of my media library, because I have a very large library, and I’ve spent a lot of time tagging my files and adding album artwork. But I have three backups of all my files, so I’m pretty safe. When I do lose files because of some ham-fisted maneuver—and this happens—I can pull copies from one of my backups.
     
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    Being old school I like to own the actual, hold it in my hand, CD and then put it on my I pod. Sorted! :D
     
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    I did say that the choice of word 'steal' was used incorrectly. Removed or deleted was probably a better choice.

    However he is not the only person who has had this happen to them. There are enough examples of this floating around to say that the risk is real. Whether it is caused by a bug or unclear instructions is irrelevant. It is also worth noting that iTunes runs on windows as well as the Mac. It is not clear from my original link if that person uses Windows or a Mac. He mentions Wav files which are more often associated with windows than Apple. This issue may be related to a single platform.

    The source of your denial is MacWorld which is a notoriously pro Apple site for obvious reasons. The other source is iMore which is also an Apple fan site. I don't trust any pro-mac site when it comes to rebuttals.

    I have seen comments from tech users who have had similar things happen to them. For most people they have noticed music go missing and didn't connect the dots until this blog post. Whether it is a bug, finger trouble, pebkac or something else there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that this is something worth being concerned about.

    For every complaint about big losses like this one. http://www.loopinsight.com/2015/07/22/apple-music-is-a-nightmare-and-im-done-with-it/
    (This is a pro Apple Site). There are probably hundreds where people have lost a handful of songs and not noticed.

    I still think this warning is worth making, if it encourages people to take a backup of their own music before signing up to cloud services like Apple Music.
     
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    agreed..

    I've been using iTunes since it first came out , 2001 .. used it on both Windows and Macs.. my music library has been built up over the years, songs copied from vinyl LPs, CDs, radio and other sources plus music and video purchased from Apple..

    I allow iTunes to organise and find album covers.. At first I was a bit apprehensive allowing Apple to 'see' my music.. they may think it's illegal or pirated.. and either remove or report.. that has ever happened..

    The only time I've 'lost' music it's been my own fault.. I have accidentally deleted an iTunes library, but fortunately.. it was backed up.. it's easy to do.. all too often we press buttons mistakenly or not thinking what we are doing.. watching Jan when she's downloading and installing software is scary.. she blindly accepts and presses ok all too often without reading what she is doing..

    so.. back to the person who lost their files..

    a mistake they made.. or a bug.. ?

    more likely a mistake and one worth nothing.. and being reminded about.. so your op wasn't in vain..

    but they weren't stolen or deleted by Apple.. and as we both said.....

    The solution? Back up your original library
    The best thing you can do when syncing your music with a third party service such as Apple Music is to back it up first. Either use Time Machine to store a local copy, or upload it to a cloud service such as OneDrive, Dropbox or Google Drive.

    As long as you have the original files, you will never lose access to them. They are, after all, your property.


    http://www.cnet.com/how-to/no-apple-music-doesnt-delete-your-files/
     
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    I have had DRM applied by Apple to songs I own, simple to remove if you know how but what a pain. It's a bug, it's a poor practice, it's a shady practice? Backing up your iTunes folder is not good enough. If you don't have an independent back up outside of iTunes then you're stuff is still locked. it's as good as stealing your content.
     
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    What's DRM @Jim
     
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    I don't have iTunes, I don't have an Apple and I don't use cloud services. However when I did use ITunes it reorganised my music and I still haven't recovered it back to how it was before....

    Anyway that is by the by. Here is one comment I thought pretty much covered why I believe it is bad and novice users could be confused.. Spelling mistakes are his not mine.

    Or this one.


    Loads more on various sources.
     
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    I actually lost all my iTunes music a year ago. One day I had the whole library, the next only those I had bought from the Apple Store.

    All the tiles were there but no data behind them.

    After an hour on line with Apple help desk they conceded I had lost them, but could do nothing to help.

    I had to load the all again as although I had a back up on time machine that was corrupted as well.

    I now keep a file on a separate HD and will think about a third back up as well!
     
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    We have change our whole music listening system, Moved to Spotify £10 a month for as much music as you will ever want, we have wifi/bluetooth Bose system 3 speakers and an iPad.
    Can still use iTunes so have the best of both worlds.

    Ok Spotify doesn`t have everything that you might want but the £10 monthly fee is certainly cheaper than buying cd`s and you can download music instantly.
    I can move the Bose speakers to anywhere in the house or garden and still have access at the push of a button to all my music library.

    Sometimes technology is fantastic.
     
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    It's mine and I'm keeping it.:D
     
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    I bought an I pod afew years ago without realising that I would fall into the clutches of Apples itunes system. When I connected it to my computer which contains 50+ Gb of Mp3's it immediately sync'd
    the lot into an itunes folder and because a lot of it was transcribed from LP's and had no digital siganature I had an awful lot of unrecognisable mp3's, it did however leave my original files intact.

    I did eventually manage to get most of what I wanted onto the ipod but have not attempted to add anything since and deleted the itunes folder. I still have a £25 voucher from itunes but I will not go near any of their services again if I can possibly avoid it.........the same goes for cloud services........see my thread regarding data uploading:(

    I have since bought mp3 players that I control, not Apple.
     
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