Do I buy a new or second hand motorhome

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  1. GRA1

    GRA1 Read Only Funster

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    Hi Just Joined today.

    My dilemma is I am in the process or purchasing a 6 birth motorhome in the not to distant future but I cant decide if to buy a new one or second hand one. My budget is up to 35K max. I have read that motorhomes depreciate in there early years. This is my main concern as I don't want to just throw good money away. Is it better to buy one that six months plus old or buy a new one what are the pros and cons. I'm not bothered if its not brand new or not.

    Also can anybody help me with the correct choice 6 birth: the best buy and value for money, make and model. As I have never purchased one before.

    I also may possibly want to hire my motor home out for so many months in the year. As I work abroad so it would be sat on my drive for a while. Can anyone recommend if this is a good or bad idea? If a good idea can anyone recommend any companies who are good at rentals and could handle this for me. :helpsos:

    Hope to see you all on the road.

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    Gra1
     
  2. slobadoberbob

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    I for one would not hire out my RV (motorhome)

    Firstly, I would suggest you hire one yourself and then you will find out a lot more about motorhomes. It is nice to buy new, but then you lose money in the day you drive off the forecourt.. I do not think you bedget is very big. lots of motorhomes can cost a lot lot more. Remember you need to buy a lot of things extra just to putit on the road.

    I would buy a good low lilage motorhome to start with rather than a new cheaper version.

    I would not want to hire out my motorhome. not everyone will look after it like you may wish and it is not always a good return for doing so. There are back articles on MMM about this and from my memory it was not highly recommended due to damage, miles on the clock and the actual end return.

    You need to look at as many motor homes as possible and get a feel of what is right for you. Other people ideas are different hence so many motorhomes on the road.

    Me? well I have an RV - American or yank.. when I see what I get in to of them as standard then there is no question I would not by a european motorhome new or second hand.

    But look around visit some dealers.

    Bob
     
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  3. Geo

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    £35K will buy you a 6 month old £45K Motor home:thumb:
    Work it out:Cool:
    Geo
     
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    me i would buy secondhand, most are usually low mileage and still in as new condition and you wont loose about a third of the value the minute you take delivery and on the road with it.
    Even if you have a rough idea of what you want it can take 2 or 3 vans down the road to find the one as close to your ideal as you can.
    I wouldnt hire it out private or even through a company, thats just asking for it to be ruined - others just dont look after things like they should sometimes - (you could even find it hired out for the week at Glastonbury. One hire company ended up in hot water through doing that this year especally when the owners of the motorhomes withdrew their vehicles on learning of where they were going).
     
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    Id go for a second hand one we bought ours with 1000miles on clock and just over year old and saved 9k on new and it also had loads of extras fitted so saved even more.

    If you have time go to the show at the nec next month not to buy but at least you will be able to see about 100 different models and layouts spend a while looking round and sitting in them see if they suit your needs.
     
  6. EthnGeoff

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    I bought new but would never do it again. The wait for delivery was agonising, especially when the expected delivery date kept getting put back. There also seems to be so many really low milage vans on the market, makes you wonder why their owners ever bothered purchasing them. You can always put in new mattresses/ toilet cassette etc if you are concerned about those, although I'm sure a good dealer would arrange that for you. Best of luck with your search.
    Geoff.
     
  7. tonka

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    Go for used...:thumb:
    I dont think many people buy the right vehicle first time.
    You can always trade up but once you buy new you loose 20% (vat) straight away..
    Also if you buy out of season ie. now till March you should haggle a better deal.

    Just look around and see how many 1 and 2 year old vans there are..
    Cant help with rental..

    Good luck..
     
  8. motorhomelover

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    buy a second hand American RV
    you will not loose as much as in a euro model plus you get a far better spec for the price
     
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  9. grumps147

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    very good advice on here previously is the layout is the key feature.

    There are not may six berth models new under 35k, so unless your swmbo is like mine then second hand is a no brainer given the above advice.

    Our experience new was there were lots of niggles to sort, buying secondhand most of these should be sorted. (See http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/auto-trail/26246-apache-700-se-long-term-review.html )

    Make sure you have a reputable dealer, its worth travelling some distance to get one.

    Be careful with six sleeping berths, its not always six seat belted positions (that is the driver and five other belted seats), which you will need if there are six being driven in it.

    Watch which have cab air conditioning in the six berths, especially for lots of continental touring when its hot in summer, some do not have it.

    Watch also the weight allowance you have available if there are six of you in a MH, and be aware weighing does take place for enforcement purposes.

    whatever, good luck and :welcomefunster:
     
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    I would advise the opposite, if your DIY skills are lacking.
    The cost of fuel and inconvenience running back and forth will make your warranty worthless to you. Things will fail and fall off whether your motorhome is new or SH.
    Don't expect too much from the industry as a whole!:Sad:
     
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    I assume you other half will make use of the motorhome when you are away, you need to keep those wheels a-turning if you don't want problems every time you come home.
    Second hand every time, £10k loss the min you drive it off the forecourt. Most people get the layout they really want by the third van, until you use it you have no real idea of what pushes your buttons. As to hire, well not for me I'm afraid, no one looks after your property the way you do, there is always ah well its insured culture, which means your pride and joy ends up tired and worn out by the time to come to use it.
    As already said Seat belts should match the number of Berths that you need. Also if you need to drive around/through London remember LEZ compliance.
     
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    Look at as many vans till you find the layout you want, rear lounge, rear bunk beds, side bunk beds, fixed rear bed over a garage........ so many choices.

    Most never get it right first time. Once you spend a few weeks away you find out what you really want, and what you don't really need.

    So take your time and look at as many as possible and consider hiring to test out what suits you.

    As to new or 2nd hand, as said already if you buy new, you can right of £000's immediately.
    2nd hand you can save £000's and get a van with many extras.

    I would buy 2nd hand, even just a year or two old will still in most cases be in like new condition with very low mileage.

    Hiring out is asking for so many problems. First and foremost people do not take care of something that they hire as much as they would with something they own. Just think about if you hire a car, do you truly care and get upset if you put a little scratch on it or spill some drink on the seats. You do with your own. So I would not hire my van out, there's not always a decent margin in it anyway, once you consider insurance costs, wear and tear and the increased miles on the clock.

    Whatever you do, take your time, find what suits you. remember with a six berth, get 5 or 6 belted seats if you intend to travel with 5 or 6 people.

    And most of all ENJOY....:thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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    I got a pre registered one. New van at secondhand price........ Luckily it was just the van I was looking for. Anyway, as above, secondhand is the way to go, you get more for your money and there are a lot out there with sub 3k miles on the clock. Above all, ENJOY!
     
  14. Ralph-n-Bev

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    We thought about buying a new or newer than the 4 year old Mizar we did. But we preferred the build quality of the 2006 to the 2007/8 version as everything was a lot more solid and it was fully winterized .
    It also had the webasto heating whereas the newer one didnt. The layout had also changed in the 2007 + version and didn't suit us as much as a family. We also managed to get a dealership special version so it had lots of extras from new. The previous owner had had a wind out fiamma awning fitted too.
    We plan on keeping our MH for the foreseeable future as its perfect for us .
    But if ever we had to swap , i think we would buy 2nd hand.
    Unless something comes on the market that ticks all our boxes and we had the cash and didnt want to wait a couple of years for it :Wink:
     
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    Just to add to the debate............

    We bought our present mh new.
    The reason for this was that it ticked all the specifications required by us plus we were offered only 2 grand less for our old van than we paid for it 3 years previously!
    It is also helpful to know the history of our motorhome, to know it has no secret horrors awaiting discovery!
    We must emphasize that we now have what we believe to be our perfect layout and specification. We have planned from the start to keep this mh for at least ten years and do not foresee any change in our circumstances which will force a change of van.
    A new mh can make sense in these circumstances so long as you buy intelligently!

    We bought our well-equipped high-range 6 berth Chausson for only 3k more than a 6 berth basic Elddis Autoquest and are fairly confident our mh will be worth 50% of it's new value in 10 year's time due to the low availability of family-friendly mhs at that age.

    Our previous experience of buying used was a year old motorhome, with 2k on the clock, at a £4k saving over new from a dealer. The problem was it had an existing water ingress problem which reared its ugly head and took nearly a year to be sorted out (shoddily) under warranty.
    Incidentally our previous 5 1/2 year-old mh is currently for sale at a well-known dealer for £3k more than we paid for it 4 1/2 years ago!:Rofl1:

    Our Chausson has been a very good buy so far with no issues to report other than a couple of hard water- induced problems with the Dualtop boiler.:Doh:
    It is best not to totally rely on your 'warranty' it will often cost you more in inconvenience and fuel than for the widget they replace! A 'hands on' approach is often the way forward whether your van is new or secondhand, in our opinion.:BigGrin:

    For a first time buyer though, we'd advise buy second hand because you'll want to change it soon! You never get it right first time!
     
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    Our Frankia was 4years old when we got it. We could have bought a new van from a cheaper manufacturer but we went for quality and didnt want to risk getting a juddering 3.0ltr Fiat so we bought a 2.8jtd instead.

    Over the past 2 years our van has not depreciated as we bought it from a private seller and also Frankia have rocketed their new price fron £65K to over £100K over the last 6 years.
     
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    I would buy used quality,

    The best you can get out of a Hymer, Frankia, Burstner model, maybe a rapido even.

    A 35k brand new van will be a budget van. Suitable but budget.

    at that price range the only ones that spring ot mind in a six berth is the Swift escape range, the Elddis range and the CI/Rollerteam base models.

    If I had your 35k and kowing what I know now, I would be buying the Hymer, Frankia or Burstner, maybe a Euramobil, or a Knaus, there;s a bit of a German thing going on here :Laughing:
     
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    Having looked at replacing hire fleet with new vehicles, I havn't bothered as I havn't seen anything of similar quality - I have a conscience, and want people to be comfortable and have a good holiday. I couldn't do that in many modern vehicles, as they as just nowhere near as well built as the previous years - german brands are the way to go at current standards in my opinion.

    As for hiring, and people having bad experiences with vans falling apart, I do think the quality issue does play a part. I have replaced a microswitch (36p), and a door catch (£3.80) in three years of hire due to wear.

    As for damage, it has had a window replaced, a bed strut, and a window strut. The flyscreen was broken and a repair on the skirt. After three years, 30,000 miles of uk and european travel - it is negligable. Costs were covered by hirers damage deposit on all occasions.

    It has earned more than we paid for it, it's current valuation was £1000 less than we paid three years ago - so really, it doesn't matter.

    As for yourself, I would recommend looking about and finding a modern older van and comparing with new ones. Check out the seating comfort, thickness of doors and walls and quality of catches. You will probably see what I mean.

    With a 35k budget, you would be better off buying a year old model if you want a new one, as these are often around the mid twenties. You benefit from someone else taking the initial hit on depreciation for a van that may have only been used a few times, and covered 5k.

    Once you hit the 5 year old vans, you are doing well on the depreciation front. These depreciate far slower, and in another 15 years time it will still be worth around 10k if looked after...quite astonishing when you think that that is only 3k more that the first owner lost in its' first year.

    Have a look, and buy wisely, try to cover all you bases! Download Jims' buyers guide to help you along the way - has some handy checklists......and don't be afraid to haggle! If they say they can only discount x amount, tell them to call the boss, and haggle with him!:thumb:
     
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    Well a lot of good advice given to this member

    Well, a lot of good sound advice given to this member. It would be interesting to hear what he feels about what a lot of experianced owners have had to say.

    Can I also suggest to this person if he wants 6 beds why not look at one of the RV's - American motorhomes.. our sister site RVOC .. www.rvoc.co.uk is full of people with yanks and have many years experiance on the luxury we take for granted...

    American RV's start from about 22' up to 40' the link at the bottom of this page takes you to the one I own.. see what I have in a 24'6" RV and the price... domestic house size fridge and a freezer (not a comparment.. but a seperate door). Air con in cab and the back, big toilet and shower compartment with a 30" wide solid door. 7 seat belts. 26" mains TV and DVD a generator built in tot he chassis 4kw .. a big combi micro wave, 4 ring grill, 1500 watt invertor - pure sinwave. all under 5 tons... power steering, cruise control, tilt steering wheel, power steering remote heated mirrors, 6 gallon hot water tank, blow air heating and ducted air con.

    So think out side the box.. the yanks do more to the gallon than you think.. many are diesels, LPG/Petrol or like me.. V10 6.8ltr Super Duty E350 Ford chassis - with the Triton 5 speed auto box.. worth looking at the pictures to get an idea.

    Bob:thumb:
     
  20. W18BLA

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    Well we bought new and never looked back and it is our first motorhome.... We could not find a motorhome second hand that slept 4 easy with good bunks for kids and one that would carry 7 people :BigGrin: hence we got the Roller Team 707. The downside is that you will loose a hell of alot of money buying new ours was £46k spec'd up and 12mths + on i recon the best trade in would be £30k so over a £10k loss, you have to know what you really want and loads will say you never have the right van first time, (We have) and thats rare but having two kids bunks was a must and to behonest there is not alot of choice secondhand with bunks well there wasnt when we looked.

    One good bit of advice is goto a MHF meet talk to everyone have a good look around in ther Mh's and see how they cope and if it looks cramped etc..

    Never take someones advice and just buy one listen to everyone and there pros and cons and study for a good while and look about and sit in them for a good time not just in and out, Take a flask have a cuppa make them sales people work for there commision, And make that dealer if you buy from a dealer realise you aint going to jump into a buy without being 150% sure.

    Apart from that go for it....

    Craig
     
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