DIY service experience - Boxer 2010 (1 Viewer)

[31791]

I bought my vehicle in Mar'14 with 9525 miles. It is now at 21094 after having owned it for 18 months and decided to do a service though the service light had come on anyway. I decided to do it myself to make sure it really was done and because it potentially would have been less hassle than taking it to a garage. I haven't done a service on a car for about 20 years.

Bought the parts from DoctorCarParts for £40. Could have got them for about £25 but Doctorcarparts web site convinced me that I needed to spend the extra to get good components. No idea if I was gullible. The oil and fuel filters are both just paper elements that go inside the housing so no way of having dates on them that you would be able to see.

Started with the diesel filter. Couldn't shift the lid. Undid the bolts that held it to the bulkhead but still couldn't shift it. I then used a screwdriver, tapping gentle with a hammer on the ridges of the lid very carefully and this worked. Time taken about 20 minutes.

Next was the air filter. 4 screws hold the lid on and they rust up. 3 came out reasonably easy but forth wouldn't budge. Sprayed it with WD40 and moved on to the oil filter. Time 20 minutes.

Housing for the oil filter comes off with a 27 mm socket with no problem. Sump plug was also no problem. Only pain is obviously dealing with all the old dirty oil. Refilled with Castrol magantec 5/30. Took 1 and a half 4 litre cans so cost about £50 in oil. It was bought from local car shop so maybe could have got cheaper. Time 30 minutes.

Returned to the air filter after being away for the weekend and managed to free the forth screw. Was concerned about rounding the head but managed to avoid it. The shaft of this screw was very rusted and probably only 1/2 the original diameter. I didn't have replacements so have used the originals but covered them in grease and then once installed, the heads have been covered in grease. Time 20 minutes.
Advice here is to regularly remove the screws to stop them seizing.

So in total about 1hr30 and £90.

The old air filter had a date on it which was not the service when I bought the vehicle but the one previous though there should have been any reason to change it at the last service but do wonder what was done at the last service.

The service light still flashes when I start the engine but I don't really notice it and it will go away after 2000 miles/km's so I don't care and not willing to pay Peugeot to turn it off.
Also wish I had known the service light is the red oil can warning light before it had decided to come on as it scared the life out of me as I was in the middle of nowhere in Ireland thinking my engine was stuffed.

 

[TheBig1]

oh dear, how can i put this nicely? you have stuffed up with the fuel filter, it will leak under pressure if you dont use the proper cage and torque it back up to 30NM. you are not alone though as many garages get it wrong and the breakdown services have to be called out

the full engine and filter takes about 9 litres of fully synthetic low ash oil. very expensive but vital unfortunately. using a cheaper oil ends up expensive

turn off the service light using a code reader/resetter from the OBDII port. you can buy a simple bluetooth one under £10 and use a phone or tablet

 

[chaser]

Just google the service light it will tell you how to put it off, its something stupid like pressing the clutch while switching onand off

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[31791]

I had googled it but I don't believe you can for the 2010 vehicle. You can with the earlier ones though I stand to be corrected.

 

[Techno]

Next was the air filter. 4 screws hold the lid on and they rust up. 3 came out reasonably easy but forth wouldn't budge. Sprayed it with WD40 and moved on to the oil filter. Time 20 minutes.

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/x250-air-filter-housing-fix.82422/

There are no bolts to remove for the fuel filter, those bolts simply hold the bracket to the bulkhead and the filter housing just sits in it. To remove slide the housing upwards and forward towards you.
Yours will most certainly leak

 

[31791]

Andy, I only removed the bolts so that I could move the housing out a bit in an attempt to get a better grip on the lid. I hadn't realised the housing just slides away from the bracket.

Why do you think it will leak.

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[Techno]

Andy, I only removed the bolts so that I could move the housing out a bit in an attempt to get a better grip on the lid. I hadn't realised the housing just slides away from the bracket.

Why do you think it will leak.

Because the Internet is full of tales of woe over leakages and most commonly after a service by a garage who often do not use the correct tools because "we know what we're doing"
There are even leakages reported where it was done correctly so I think you really ought to be well prepared for the inevitable

 

[31791]

Re : TheBig1
The bolts are to the bulkhead from the bracket so cant cause a leak. The lid to the fuel filter enclosure is a screwcap with a rubber washer. What bolts are you referring to that need to be tightened up to 30 NM.
My manual says it takes 6.5 litres of oil and that has it showing 4/5th full on the dipstick and on the dash when ignition switched on.

 

[Techno]

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum...lacing-in-pictures-part-ii.79346/#post-934068

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[31791]

My filter doesn't look like that. It is a 2.2HDI 100. The lid on the fuel filter is just a screw on. Picture is attached.

The Castrol Magnatec is C2 rated and says FOR FIAT, PEUGEOT AND CITREON PETROL AND DIESELS CARS so looks appropriate to me.

 

[Techno]

Just looks like a different model of a UFI filter and can just see some figures on the top edge of the securing ring which is probably the tightening torque

 

[dave newell]

Full service is more than just oil and filters, wheels need removing to examine brakes and what about the pollen filter? Your fuel filter probably has a 80% chance of leaking due to not using the correct tool and tightening the top collar to the required torque. Filters: there is a massive range of quality in filters which cannot be determined by just looking at the element. The latest Euro 6 oil filter for Pugs looks exactly the same as the Euro 5 one but you MUST NOT put a Euro 5 filter in a Euro 6 engine, this info was direct from Peugeot.

D.

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[Bobby22]

I had googled it but I don't believe you can for the 2010 vehicle. You can with the earlier ones though I stand to be corrected.

AFAIK your dealer is wrong - on ours it is easy to reset;

So for others I did the following:

Ign on but dont start
Flashes 0 days on screen or spanner shows constantly.
Wait.
Flashing stops
Trip miles displayed
Press right button once to show odo miles.
Press right button and hold for 10 seconds until CFG flashes.
Cycle CFG 1 / 2 / 3 with single press of right button.
Once on CFG you want press and hold right button for around 5 seconds until odo miles comes back on.


For what on earth the CFG means see below;


CFG1 = 30000km (18,600mi) and 365 days in cases of Standard Use for 2.0 petrol and 2.8JTD versions, or in the case of Severe Use for the 2.3JTD versions.

CFG2 = 20000km (12,500mi) and 365 days in case of Standard Use for 2.0JTD versions, or in case of severe use for 2.0 petrol and 2.8JTD versions

CFG3 = 15000km (9,300mi) and 365 days in case of Severe Use for 2.0JTD versions


That works for us, hope it does for you too, give it a whirl you cannot do any harm.

Dave


Copied from another forum, it may be what your looking for.

 

[Charlie]

oh dear, how can i put this nicely? you have stuffed up with the fuel filter, it will leak under pressure if you dont use the proper cage and torque it back up to 30NM. you are not alone though as many garages get it wrong and the breakdown services have to be called out

the full engine and filter takes about 9 litres of fully synthetic low ash oil. very expensive but vital unfortunately. using a cheaper oil ends up expensive

turn off the service light using a code reader/resetter from the OBDII port. you can buy a simple bluetooth one under £10 and use a phone or tablet

Spot on... Using anything other than the correct grade low ash oil is stroring up trouble for later. DPFs require low ash.

 

[Techno]

AFAIK your dealer is wrong - on ours it is easy to reset;

So for others I did the following:

Ign on but dont start
Flashes 0 days on screen or spanner shows constantly.
Wait.
Flashing stops
Trip miles displayed
Press right button once to show odo miles.
Press right button and hold for 10 seconds until CFG flashes.
Cycle CFG 1 / 2 / 3 with single press of right button.
Once on CFG you want press and hold right button for around 5 seconds until odo miles comes back on.


For what on earth the CFG means see below;


CFG1 = 30000km (18,600mi) and 365 days in cases of Standard Use for 2.0 petrol and 2.8JTD versions, or in the case of Severe Use for the 2.3JTD versions.

CFG2 = 20000km (12,500mi) and 365 days in case of Standard Use for 2.0JTD versions, or in case of severe use for 2.0 petrol and 2.8JTD versions

CFG3 = 15000km (9,300mi) and 365 days in case of Severe Use for 2.0JTD versions


That works for us, hope it does for you too, give it a whirl you cannot do any harm.

Dave


Copied from another forum, it may be what your looking for.

I believe that is correct for earlier x244 vehicles but not for x250
As I understand it the service light will self extinguish after a number of miles beyond it being due

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[dave newell]

Service light reset on X250s can only be done with a dealer level OBD scanner system, or as Andy says wait 1000 miles and it will turn itself off. Peugeot boxer X250s flash the oil light five times at start up to indicate oil service is required and this can only be stopped with dealer level diagnostics scanner.

D.

 

[lou020]

i've probably changed thousands of fuel filters on our trucks and never had one leak or fail, but the bloody fiat beat me. i used all the correct tools and torques and all was ok for just over 1000 miles,,,untill we reached austria then the thing started pumping fuel out. fortunately i had read the horror stories and had a spare complete housing with me. fitted it in lees than 10 mins,,i wouldn't travel abroad without a spare again,nor will i change the fuel filter again.

 

[31791]

I didn't claim it was a full service. I change to winter wheels so brakes get checked twice a year.
I have lack of trust in main dealers as a merc one suggested I needed new disks and pads at 1£1200. I refused after looking at them. I took it to a different merc garage for next two services and they didn't report any problems. I am sure most are OK but some are definitely not.

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[31791]

I have now bought the tool.

I have to confess to being disappointed with the responses from some of the funsters. Although the key point is that I need the tool to properly do the job which I accept was knowledge I was lacking ad didn't even research it because I didn't surmise a fuel filter replacement would need special tools, I was getting fed half stories and some posts were written in a patronising way when there was no need for it.

I am happy to share information/facts with people without the need to point out it out in anything other than a purely factual way.

Having been on a meet, I know the funsters were all nice people but it seems society and some funsters doesn't care about being nice when posting electronically.

 

[Rob and Val]

Next was the air filter. 4 screws hold the lid on and they rust up. 3 came out reasonably easy but forth wouldn't budge.

That always happens to me! The last screw is always the one that refuses to come out.

 

[Techno]

I have now bought the tool.

I have to confess to being disappointed with the responses from some of the funsters. Although the key point is that I need the tool to properly do the job which I accept was knowledge I was lacking ad didn't even research it because I didn't surmise a fuel filter replacement would need special tools, I was getting fed half stories and some posts were written in a patronising way when there was no need for it.

I am happy to share information/facts with people without the need to point out it out in anything other than a purely factual way.

Having been on a meet, I know the funsters were all nice people but it seems society and some funsters doesn't care about being nice when posting electronically.

I hope my guides were of use to you
I rarely get any thanks

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[Bobby22]

@Techno100 has Fiat made an upgrade on later model fuel filters as mine looks like a sealed unit of metal?

 

[Techno]

Yes they replaced it on later models with a metal canister

 

[bubble63]

i've probably changed thousands of fuel filters on our trucks and never had one leak or fail, but the bloody fiat beat me. i used all the correct tools and torques and all was ok for just over 1000 miles,,,untill we reached austria then the thing started pumping fuel out. fortunately i had read the horror stories and had a spare complete housing with me. fitted it in lees than 10 mins,,i wouldn't travel abroad without a spare again,nor will i change the fuel filter again.

LISTEN TO THIS MAN....... mine did exactly the same, same tooling , same milage, fit a new one and carry a spare

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[Charlie]

For me Dealer service history is not essential. Service by a good independent garage is acceptable.. But if I were to be looking at a vehicle any vehicle that has been done on the drive by its owner I would walk.

It may be cheaper now but come sale time it could prove costly .

 

[bubble63]

I hope my guides were of use to you
I rarely get any thanks

thank you andy!

 

[31791]

Andy,
I do very much appreciate the links. The issue was everybody was saying it would leak without explaining why. To me this looked like a lid that would just need hand tightening.

Regarding doing it myself. The choice is a Peugeot dealer that would accept a motorhome and my almost local one doesn't or an independent who is unlikely to have the special tool and I cant be sure of the quality of components/oil that they would use. I have kept the receipt so I prove I at least ordered the components. My van is 5 years old and is likely to be 10 years old when I sell it so my feeling is it will not make any significant difference when selling it but at least in my mind I will know that it has been looked after.

Jim

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[Bobby22]

The cost of servicing can be very expensive, DIY servicing won't, in my opinion make the value of your motorhome any more or any less.

Servicing is only as good as the mechanic/DIYer that does the job, the most important thing is to look after your van the way you see fit.

If you can trust yourself to carry out the servicing then go for it, by asking questions on here you will be able to find what others have had issues with.

I am lucky my SIL is a manager with a major multi franchise dealer and my grandson is a mechanic.

 

[Cleve]

That always happens to me! The last screw is always the one that refuses to come out.

And have you noticed that when you try to play it at it's own game and change from the original planned last screw the eventual last screw still plays up. Once upon a time we could get away with a set of AF spanners, flat and philips, long nose, side cutters and a large Glaswegian spanner. One reason Helen appeals as she was a girl when Noah had the boat but of course being female she has to be metric.

 

[Charlie]

The cost of servicing can be very expensive, DIY servicing won't, in my opinion make the value of your motorhome any more or any less.

Servicing is only as good as the mechanic/DIYer that does the job, the most important thing is to look after your van the way you see fit.

If you can trust yourself to carry out the servicing then go for it, by asking questions on here you will be able to find what others have had issues with.

I am lucky my SIL is a manager with a major multi franchise dealer and my grandson is a mechanic.

DIY servicing must surely harm future value.. I have been fortunate in having owned many prestige cars and when it comes to selling say a BMW full dealer history is essential. On lesser makes like I drive now (a Toyota Rav4) its not as important . In fact my car now nearly two years old goes to a Toyota specialist rather than the main franchised dealer. So in effect it will have full history come sale time but not full Toyota history,

DIY servicing is just the same as having No history. No service history must surely harm the value come sale or PX time.

I would not travel at all to look at any vehicle that did not have proper service history.

I mention prestige cars above but these motor homes we own cost more than many prestige cars. We invest heavily so buying without history is IMO completely unacceptable.

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