Disabled parking ticket advice required

Discussion in 'Motorhome Chat' started by barryd, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. barryd

    barryd Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Yorkshire Dales
    Despite several warnings from other users on here about Hampshire’s keenness on issuing parking tickets I have still managed to get one today on the Isle of Wight.

    Because I now suffer from Arthritis I was issued with a Blue Badge this year (so I am quite new to the rules and regs).

    We parked in a pay and display at Shanklin. We could have opted to park on a double yellow line in the village but I decided that this would be irresponsible even though it would be legal as the streets are narrow and I would have probably inconvenienced other drivers.

    The sign on the car park clearly stated it was free for disabled for up to 3 hours. I am aware that if your not disabled you should buy two tickets but as I am disabled I assumed that even if I take up two bays its would be free. I parked away from the nearby disabled boxes as I would have stuck out and caused an obstruction. I parked in the quite frankly near empty car park at the top out of the way occupying the two end bays but not overlapping on either side nor causing an obstruction. This would mean people could get passed and I wouldn’t get blocked in.

    On my return I had a parking ticket for £25 rising to £50 if not paid in 14 days on the windscreen with the reason being “Parked beyond the bay markings”. Well I don’t think I was as I was in two bays but within the markings. If it had said free for disabled in one bay I would have bought a ticket for the other bay but it didn’t.

    I intend to contest this. It seems a little bit over zealous to issue a ticket to a holiday maker who is disabled at Christmas but there you go!

    Has anyone been in a similar situation and if so what was the outcome? In future I will just park on the double yellow lines outside the car park or buy an additional ticket.

    Cheers
    Barry
    :Smile::Smile:
     
  2. pappajohn

    pappajohn Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2007
    Messages:
    29,461
    Likes Received:
    16,891
    Location:
    YO11 2BD
    one word.....jobsworth.

    more words.....

    but you were technicaly outside the marked bay so the ticket will probably stand.

    contest it anyway, nothing to loose and the 'pay by' limit is put on hold until an outcome is reached.

    be careful parking on yellow lines.....ensure no other restrictions apply to that specefic bit of road ie...no loading markings, stopping prohibited etc as this cancels your consession.

    also , you can only park on yellows if it isnt going to cause an obstruction to free flowing traffic.
    many blue badge holders have come unstuck on this in scarborough....one bus route has to turn 90deg uphill on a narrow one way road and folks have parked on yellows too near the junction and got ticketed and procecuted in court for obstructing the bus's (they really cant turn and the town stops til the driver returns.)
     
  3. barryd

    barryd Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Yorkshire Dales
    Thanks Papa John

    I suspect your right, technically but unknowingly I have probably broken their rules but I think a warning notice might have been more appropriate.

    I am unclear though what I should have done. As it was officially free for disabled people should I have

    A. Purchased just one extra ticket alongside my blue badge entitlement for one bay

    B. Purchased two tickets and not used my badge at all

    C. Cleared off with my anti social vehicle and knackered knees back to the campsite as there is nowhere for me to park and drown my sorrows with my own beer and food rather than spending money in Shanklin.

    I take on board what you say and would never abuse my badge and park irresponsibly just because (I think) I can. I really couldnt see any other safe place to park and thought I was being sensible and parking within the rules.

    Will draft a letter tomorrow when I see what further advice develops.

    Regards
    Barry
     
  4. nomadic

    nomadic Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Messages:
    665
    Likes Received:
    174
    Location:
    Shropshire based
    Hi Barryd

    Yes, as already said, do contest it.

    I'm not disabled, but did get ticketed, because I parked in a safe and sensible manner, behind a safety barrier, when road works had suspended parking restrictions, I thought.

    My appeal was upheld, and the reply letter said as much, and then delivered a mild rebuke!!

    You have already set out your appeal in your post, they will have photo's of your parking, if they work as in Shropshire. But the Senior Administrator will handle your case, not another member of the contracted out parking control lot.

    I would expect it to be upheld....good luck

    Nomadic:Smile:
     
  5. pappajohn

    pappajohn Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2007
    Messages:
    29,461
    Likes Received:
    16,891
    Location:
    YO11 2BD
    you have the same van as us so i know the length of the overhang....

    if possible park in an outside bay so the overhang will sit over the grass verge etc.
    the rest of the van should just about fit in the bay.

    not always possible i know, but worth looking for a suitable bay.

    it may also be, depending on the park operater/council , if you use a regular bay you may have to pay anyway, regardless of the blue badge.
     
  6. barryd

    barryd Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Yorkshire Dales
    I know what you mean about the grass verge and this would have been preferred but there wasnt one in this car park. It clearly stated that it was free for disabled being a council car park and I always check and dont object to paying if it states to do so for blue badge holders. I guess I can just write stating the facts I have posted on here and see what happens.

    Cheers
    Barry
     
  7. GJH

    GJH Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    27,232
    Likes Received:
    34,423
    Location:
    Acklam, Teesside, originally Glossop
    On a different tack from other responders. Apologies if I've mis-interpreted but it looks as if you may not realise that the Isle of Wight Council is separate from Hampshire - don't want you to waste time contacting the wrong authority.

    When you contest the charge you might find This Page useful. Looks like para 2 might fit the bill for you.

    IoW Council have always been helpful when I have contacted them for information so if you explain your genuine mistake (as you have on here) they may well let you off the charge.

    Graham
     
  8. hailman

    hailman Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2009
    Messages:
    150
    Likes Received:
    12
    Location:
    IoW
    Sorry you had to endure our traffic/parking wardens, just be grateful you don`t have to suffer them all year round.:Doh:
    My wife works on the main shopping street in one of our bigger towns and can tell you how people are booked if they have a wheel on the white line in a one hour free parking zone.

    I would think a suitably humble letter to the local council might get a reprieve but don`t count on it. They wonder why the tourist industry is struggling on the island, this is only one reason.

    Good job you didn`t want to visit Cowes, they close car parks and build `executive` flats on them so rich people can have a second home on the island, that they may visit once or twice a year.


    But, don`t get me started!:shout:
     
  9. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    Hi Barry

    I agree with pappa.. the ticket was issued for being outside the marked bay, and even if you had purchased two tickets it would still be against the rules..

    Our local council ticket cars with trailers even though they purchase two tickets.. the argument being, you would be depriving another person of a bay when it's busy.

    Worth contesting but I wouldn't hold out much hope.. it's just another cross we motorhomers have to bear .. :Sad:

    jim
     
  10. pappajohn

    pappajohn Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2007
    Messages:
    29,461
    Likes Received:
    16,891
    Location:
    YO11 2BD
    i can see your point of view but the council would look at lost revenue more than curteousy to other users.

    they arent loosing money by taking two bays if you buy two tickets.
    the income is just the same and a three hour ticket is just that.....for three hours.

    personally i think its pettiness.
     
  11. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    28,934
    Likes Received:
    25,574
    Location:
    .
    Hi John .. It's not my point of view, one of our neighbours was given a ticket for parking in two bays with two tickets .. that was the council reply when he contested it.

    The council may not lose parking revenue but the local shops would .. especially if it were say a builders van with a trailer ..

    Yes, it is pettiness, it's a jobswoth's world we live in :RollEyes:
     
  12. barryd

    barryd Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Yorkshire Dales
    Well then what am I supposed to do? I cant park miles away because I cant walk that far. I cant buy two tickets as I may still get fined as two cars might spend more money locally. I cant use the massive row of empty coach bays as I will probably be inprissoned for that on the IOW / Hampshire. then its option C for me, go back to the campsite.

    Its only £25 but thats not the point. I feel peeved that if what you say is true it wouldnt matter if I was disabled or not you cant buy two tickets as you still may get fined and you cant use your disabled badge either.

    Well a lesson learned and I will be very careful where I park in future. One things for sure. The outcome of the letter will determine if we return to the IOW and indeed Hampshire in general (I have heard bad things about parking on the mainland as well). There are plenty of other counties where they are less strict and apply common sense.

    Next stop Dorset and Devon. Anything I should know?

    Will keep you informed!

    BD
     
  13. pappajohn

    pappajohn Funster Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2007
    Messages:
    29,461
    Likes Received:
    16,891
    Location:
    YO11 2BD
    loads of hills and they speak with a strange accent....:Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
  14. daps

    daps Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    May 24, 2009
    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cambridgeshire. UK
  15. BionicPixie

    BionicPixie Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2009
    Messages:
    211
    Likes Received:
    41
    Location:
    non
    Barry .... similar situation.... Exactly the same situation in the same place and probably the same car park! (probably the same parking official too).

    I wrote to Isle of Wight Council and pointed out to them that my blue badge was on the screen, with the clock detailing time of arrival. I also pointed out to them that as my 'FIAT' was in fact a motorhome and was therefore not capable of shrinking into any bay it would always 'park beyond markings'. (I also suggested that if I could have 'shrunk' my motorhome I would have shrunk myself back to a size 10!).

    I also pointed out to them that where there were coach bays there was very clear signage to indicate that these were for coaches ONLY.

    There being no indication as to where one could park oversize vehicles as in motorhomes.

    I suggested to them that next time on the Isle of Wight I would park on the double yellow lines, using the blue badge parking regulations, giving me three hours to park without fee (or penalty) and potentially causing them more hassle as although not restricting the movement of traffic it would cause some inconvenience and more dangers to pedestrians crossing their narrow roads!

    I received a letter back from Mr John James, Parking Services Office and Finance Manager, Isle of Wight Council (Parking Services) informing me that:

    "Having considered your comments and the facts surrounding this contravention, I am willing on this occasion, to accept your representation and I have arranged for the cancellation of this Penalty Charge Notice.
    For future reference, I can confirm that in a situation that the vehicle exceeds the size of a car bay, it should be parked in a HGV/coach bay"

    For your information the official was challenged by three different couples as they had seen the blue badge and I had spoken to them of my dilemna as I parked, reading the sign that said in the event of blue badge bays being full park within any bay and display the blue badge. The official appeared within 5 minutes of my parking and a local said that they do it often whenever they see a motorhome parking in the carpark knowing it will extend the bays!!!

    I hope that this helps and good luck
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2009
  16. barryd

    barryd Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Yorkshire Dales
    Thats great news. Sounds like it will be the same guy. Hes a bit keen then as I thought.

    It will be interesting to see if I like you get off.

    Will let you know what the outcome is. Thanks very much indeed

    Barry
     
  17. MrJinks

    MrJinks Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    582
    Likes Received:
    115
    Location:
    Dorchester, Dorset


    Hi Barry,

    If you think IoW is bad then avoid Weymouth in Dorset. I used to run a B&B there on the seafront and like most towns, has a traffic problem but the local council seem to regard all vehicles as the Devil's Invention and to fine them as wherever possible. Although it pains me to say it as I think it is a lovely place, it must also be the most motorhome unfriendly place. Most parking areas (there's not many of them) don't allow motorhomes and all blue badges have to pay.

    However it is definately worth challenging your ticket. We used to always advise our guests to do so when they had a reasonable case and to be fair they usually had the fine cancelled.


    Garry
     
  18. Baggins

    Baggins Read Only Funster

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2008
    Messages:
    82
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Torbay
    Beware Torbay!!!

    The notorious NCP (as was) operate here and are branded The Torbay Taliban gaining much adverse national publicity for the towns.
    Hopefully common sense will prevail after April as they have been given their marching orders following sustained local opposition.
     
  19. bigfoot

    bigfoot Funster

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2007
    Messages:
    3,992
    Likes Received:
    5,045
    Location:
    Wirral
    NCP must have had all their Christmases at once. When parking was de-criminalised,they secured the lions share of contracts from local authorities, staff employed weren't the sharpest knives in the box The former traffic wardens (police staff) ,the majority became either PCSOs or were offered civvy jobs. Like them or hate them they knew their stuff and if they saw you attempting to park where you shouldn't they would tell you. The present staff will hide and then when you have gone, slap a ticket on your vehicle. And yet they deny they are on incentive payements. Either they are fibbing or they don't know the laws they are trying to uphold.
     
  20. buttons

    buttons Funster

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2009
    Messages:
    12,923
    Likes Received:
    10,693
    Location:
    Hertfordshire
    Possibly a tad off topic and bit controversial but the needs of the disabled and the needs for subsidised parking are unrelated. Where did this non-means-tested anomaly come from?
    Not always good public relations to park in the prime position across two bays then climb down unassisted from your gin palace and walk off into the night without the need for a ticket.
    Many able bodied drivers having just feed the machine with £7 of their income support for parking their 15 year old fiesta on a bit of grass a km from the gate can find this spectacle a bit of a throne in the side.:Angry:
     
Loading...

Share This Page