Detailing Split from Motor Klenz Thread

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  1. Charlie

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    When polishing out deeper scratches or marring to paint or GRP a PTG (Paint Thickness Gauge) must be used.

    These come in two types.
    One measures the combined thickness of the paint and lacquer. Modern paints are lacquer over base coat and only the lacquer should be polished. If you polish through the lacquer the surface will require re painting.

    The PTG I have identifies the individual thicknesses of the lacquer and the base. This allows me to see exactly how much material I have .

    As we polish the lacquer of course becomes thinner so by using a PTG we eliminate the threat or danger of burning through the all important lacquer coat.

    Top end gauge like I use also identifies the thickness of gel court over a fibreglass weave.

    The gauge I use costs nearly £1500 but a cheap one that measures just the combined thickness can be bought for around 200 quid.

    A top quality decal is essential. You can buy 3 5 0r 7 year qualities which is the length of time the decal is guaranteed NOT to fade. High numbers also means better quality material is used.
     
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    you know your stuff Charlie..shame members did not see your input before going for these types of services...
     
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    Thats really interesting I did not know that you can measure thickness let alone individual coats/layers. Great machine to run round a new vehicle for base points going forward.
     
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    Big benefit of a PTG is when looking at say a used vehicle any repairs like re painted areas or smart repairs can be instantly identified. After market paint is always thicker than that applied by robots during vehicle production.

    To those of us as fussy as me it matters. If even a small area has been repaired I want to know. 9 times out of 10 it means I move on ...

    The main benefit though is when polishing an expensive vehicle like my mate Robs Aston Martin I know exactly what or how much material I safely have to play with. It is completely unacceptable to make mistakes on vehicles like that or any vehicle for that matter. Whether a car cost 150 K or 500 quid it's someone's pride and joy ...
     
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    I'm amazed there is no : Detailing: sub forum on this or the other MH forum I go on..

    I write extensively on a few car based forums . But none of the MH forums seem to bother. Daft really as many I think would get something from it.
     
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    as something as important as caring for you vans (outside) I'm sure this would be of interest. I'm thinking of going from panelvans to a A class (health permitting) and dreading all the bodywork care that entails. steel panel vans campers so easy to look after!

    Charlie what would you do with a new (GRP roof/aluminium sides) A class for instance if bought new to protect it?
     
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    What I would not do is apply or have applied those expensive hopeless wonder treatments the dealers get rich selling ...

    A simple machine polish plus a really high durability wax like Collinite 476S is the best you will do. Collinite is less than 20 quid off EBay and a tin will do ten MHs at least !

    There are so many products appearing now as the Detailing bug is getting enormous. I go for effective quality products but not expensive unless they need to be. I have a collection of waxes ranging from 10 to nearly 500 quid. Collinite has the best protection due to its long durability. Other main reason for using a high durability wax is MHs are big so once or twice a year is more than enough.

    Hope your health holds up !!!!
     
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    that's all I would want... to protect the surface and a barrier against black streaking etc.....

    "Hope your health holds up !!!!"

    Thanks Charlie, but have lived with kidney failure due to diabetes for over 15 years. have chance of a transplant from family members but cancer last year means a minimum 3 year wait (2 more years) its all about the blood tests and recent one poor. But! we live in hope!:)

    have motorhomed for over 25 years (I'm 62) so not had a bad run.....moving to the south coast in new year if and when we sell our london home. so if have to be on dialysis for a couple of years thats what it will be....
     
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    Charlie I use Autoglym HD wax which I find great but expensive and twice a year works well. Whats you opinion?
    Michael
     
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    After Charlie recommended Collinite 476S on another thread I thought I would give it a try. When trying anything new I always try it on my own motorhome before using it on customers vans. I have to say that Collinite 476S maybe a good wax but so far its not that good at reducing black streaks, unlike my go to wax at the moment (meguiars marine wax).
     
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    Interesting. I was planning to go for the Collinite 870 for ease of use, perhaps followed by 925 annually for a polish, but I too think there would be some mileage in having a detailing section.
     
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    Sorry to hear that my friend ! I have been insulin dependant for 40 years so I have a bloody good idea what you are up against.. Sincere best wishes !

    Anyway back on topic.. Nothing will ever stop the streaks from appearing. But a coat or two of Colinite wax will most certainly make it far easier to get them off.

    Again my best wishes........
     
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    I have AG in my ridiculously large collection of waxes. As a wax it's not bad but it lacks the long lasting durability..

    I read a comparison recently where AG came near the top but I can't understand why.. Honestly I have loads of waxes and will put up a picture when we return from France. In that collection I have two Zymol waxes which together cost six hundred quid. What do I put on my cars and MH ?? Colinite.
     
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    Fair enough. To be honest I got the autoglym HD wax as a free gift some years ago for subscribing to What Car? But it lasted really well on one (very black) car and the current (almost black!) car.
     
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    Mike I think the type of material we put waxes on makes quite a difference.

    Looking at your Avatar I see an MH that mat have composite panels ! GRP perhaps ?

    My experience over many years is with automotive and GRP on boats and Jet Skis.. To be truthful I have no experience with many of the composite materials used on MHs.

    But it's fair to assume a wax will or should do the same job on most materials.

    But let's remember we are talking about waxes and how they perform. The preparation to the finish makes a massive difference.

    I clay and polish before the LSP (Last Stage Product) is applied. This results in a flawless absolutely smooth surface. Wax this and trust me nothing will stick to it and if streaks do they will wash of with absolute ease.

    Google Charliefarlies guide to machine polishing.

    I can't copy or link to it here as I'm away and am not great with this IPad ...

    The guide was written by me many years ago but the info is very relevant to the subject..
     
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    David it is a good wax ! Most waxes are but for something like a large vehicle my suggestion would be to go for the longest durability wax possible.

    I've waxed my Panel Van twice. It's quite a job and if I use Colinite like I did then I know I'm going to get six months or more before doing it again. Durability is king as far as I'm concerned on big vehicles.

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    From my days of Jag ownership David..

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    Very nearly had a new XFR but ended up with the MH.... Ah well ....
     
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