Dartford crossing price rise

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  1. tofo

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    It's to control "congestion" don't you know? What utter ballcocks...... If they wanted to control congestion (my office is almost under the bridge so we see it every day) then simply raising the gates instead of raising the fees would help. They promise to do is in times of heavy traffic but (allegedly) never do so. Talk about screwing the motorist - it should have stopped being a fee paying crossing in about 2003. And there is no alternative - they've got us by the short ones:Angry:
     
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    It seems like only recently there was a 50% increase to £1.50.:Angry:

    It's pretty outrageous but as has been said there isn't really an alternative route.
     
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    Did this country not sell it to another country? maybe they have put the fares up. (during Blairs reign) i maybe wrong.
     
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    In most other European countries, where there is no alternative route to bypass a city, that bypass is toll free, to reduce congestion and pollution in the city itself.

    The Dartford crossing is just another rip off, as there is no alternative other than going round the M25 anti-clockwise from the North or clockwise from the South.
    If on one day a week everyone did just that I wonder what the result would be?

    It's time I think for a petition.


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    That man Blair has a lot to answer for. I wouldn't be surprised to see T shirts about dancing on his grave at the next meeting of the CBI.

    I do hope not as that would be in really bad taste.


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    It worked on the Skye Bridge when the government was forced to scrap the toll charges. There is an alternate route round the M25 but the residents of Skye had no alternative as the only ferry crossing was scrapped as soon as the bridge was opened.
    The Forth Road Bridge toll was scrapped too and now they are building another crossing without the aid of toll charges.
    Take a note from the Scots and protest............................. it works
    I am afraid a period of demonstration, like car drivers paying in 5p pieces so it snarls up the traffic as the machines count the money. Or everyone using the pay booths rather than the cash booths.
     
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    It was Browns government that talked about selling it in 2009 but didn't.

    The leader of the Thurrock council at that time stated that not only should it not be sold, but that Thurrock Council were committed to continue the fight to make the crossing Toll Free.

    Three years is a long time in politics, apparently.

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    We never use it on our way down from Scotland we take the M40 and then anti clockwise round the M25 it makes a difference of about 6 miles from our house to dover i reckon it saves us about an hour at least due to m40 being quieter and not having to wait at toll
     
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    They let us through free last week.
     
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    So you are the reason that our stretch around junc 19 is so busy:Wink:
     
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    Now correct me if im wrong but i am pretty sure that Dartford toll is now leased by LLC one of the french toll companies and has been for the last few years

    The HA/Government 'own' the bridge/tunnel. The toll has paid off the original charge and the toll is now a congestion charge which is an important revenue stream to maintain the network. The HA let contracts for the operation of the bridge/tunnel.


     
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    Chatter is right. It is a French Company that operates the Tolls on the Tunnels and brige.

    We were told that once the bridge had paid for itself then there would be no more Dartford tolls thereby freeing up traffic on the M25.

    Then surprise surprise they said Oh no we need the toll money so that we can upgrade the local roads and also put new equipment to pay tolls electronically.

    The tolls are just a money making machine for someone. They rarely raise the barriers to free up the traffic. In fact when there was a severe power outage in Dartford due to somebody stealing the copper cables nearby the toll booths were running by generator after 4 hours and the local residents myself included waited between 4 -6 days yes days to get our power sorted with either temporary generators or a permanent fix.

    Another gripe of mine is I live less than 2 miles from the toll booths (Kent side) but do not live in Dartford Borough so therefore do not get the residents discount (even though I am closer to the tolls than at least 60 % of the Dartford residents). We do however get all the traffic snarl ups on the local roads whenever anything happens on the M25.

    The only alternative to cross the river is the Woolwich Ferry (which is free and operated by TFL) and of course the Blackwell Tunnell (Itself a traffic congestion Zone)

    Thats it Rant Over - I have a Dart tag so will only Pay £1.33 instead of £2 when the cost increases. I would advise anyone who uses the Tunnel at least a few times a year to get one, It might not save you much but it does save you some money.

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    The Dartford Crossing is a single example of a widespread problem - how should expansion of the transport network be funded?

    If the Dartford Crossing is so congested at times that a new bridge is required then why should it not be paid for by the crossing users rather than from general taxation? This is entirely in line with the funding model for the new Tyne Tunnel which opened last year "The New Tyne Crossing project is entirely self-funded, paid for by tolls and with no burden on council tax payers."

    The cost of the M6 Toll Road is coming from its users.

    Rail fares have been rising for some years because government policy is that rail users should pay rather than taxpayers in general.
     
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    The thing i dont understand is that the HWA leased it to a french company so surely if its about improving our roads/infrastucture we are loosing out somewhat as a company would not lease it unless they could turn a profit for its own shareholders/owners, and that profit is money lost for our road improvements
     
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    I don't understand the fuss over tolls in this country, they are few and far between anyway.

    We accept that we have to pay tolls in France - and the bridges I have used there this year - Millau and Pont d'Normandie are much more expensive than the Dartford crossing:Smile:
     
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    I agree Graham, but the congestion is caused by queuing for the toll booths, not lack of bridge/tunnel capacity .. remove the toll , no congestion and new crossing not needed, but with 150,000 vehicles per day, £300,000 is not to be snuffed at ..
     
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    I agree but some of us have to use this bridge several times a week wheras its a bit less often in France.
     
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    We haven't used Dartford Crossing all that much, maybe half a dozen times each way, but were only held up once and that was when there were major road works taking place. It was the middle of the Friday afternoon of bank holiday weekend in August 2006 and there were queues for several miles before the bridge. On all other occasions (including a couple of times around 9am on a Monday morning using the tunnel) congestion has been no worse than when we have used the Tyne Tunnel or Humber Bridge.
     
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