Council tax on motorhomes

Discussion in 'Motorhome Chat' started by GeorgeTelford, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. GeorgeTelford

    GeorgeTelford Deleted User

    I have been chatting with a mate, who has heard that they are considering charging council tax on motorhomes, something along the lines of it being considered an holiday home.

    To be honest it sounds;

    a) complete and utter rubbish
    b)completely unworkable;

    Which council would get the money? what about if you were abroad?

    I am only guessing but surely it would only apply to full timers?

    As anyone heard anything about this? I have asked him to get more details
     
  2. Bryan

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    I have not heard this but agree with you. How on earth could it work.

    How would they 'band' them? Number of berths? Seats?
    Would we need HIPS as well when we sell? :BigGrin:
     
  3. GeorgeTelford

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    Ha forgot a bit

    the suggestion was that they would be banded by list price, this would then be reduced after 5 years (how he didnt know, maybe a percentage off or dropping a band?)

    To be honest I am not sure whethor I am being "had" here....
     
  4. Bryan

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    Well if my motorhome becomes a holiday home then they will have to stop taxing it as a vehicle as well...

    I think the ripple effect would make this completely unworkable too.
     
  5. GeorgeTelford

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    Bryan

    Taxing something more than once wont bother then just look at petrol, its taxed multiple times.

    what ripple effect?
     
  6. Bryan

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    True, multiple taxing is evident all the way through. Pay is income taxed but then we are taxed (VAT) when we buy things and then if we leave things to people they may have to pay tax again (IHT)

    Ripple effect?

    If a vehicle is now a home, we have to pay council tax. As it is now a home can we have post delivered? Will we have to declare it on the electoral role? What about the census?
     
  7. GeorgeTelford

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    ha that kind of ripple

    with regard to ripple they have never been known to worry about anomalies.

    Huge motorhomes are taxed as virtually the same as cars yet they wish to licence differently.

    Big motorhomes are not exempt from tachographs (yet if they are HGV they should be, as confirmed by DOT and VOSA)

    the list is endless.
     
  8. GJH

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    First thing that struck me is who are "they" to whom your mate refers - the government or some other body (possibly a body flying a policy kite)?

    I would guess that your mate has possibly become confused between motorhomes/touring caravans and static caravans. Since council tax was introduced it has been the case that if you live permanently in a static caravan or mobile home you are liable to pay the council tax. Touring caravans kept at your home are not subject to council tax.

    Interesting piece on the Valuation Office web site Here - if you are living in a caravan in your garden because your house is uninhabitable after this year's floods then CT is not payable on the house but will be on the caravan.

    Graham
     
  9. GeorgeTelford

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    Hi Graham

    Not sure who is discussing this (bodywise), but it is definately about extending the second home/ holiday home council tax to motorhomes, he was pretty vague about the details.

    It may be that they are just after fulltimers?
     
  10. melplash

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    I doubt it George.

    Fulltimers do not live in a holiday home - it is their home.

    Secondly fulltimers move about and so to police it would be horrendous.

    Thirdly most fulltimers are officially living at an address ie and so pay council tax there.

    On the other hand council officials do not often use logic in their thought process so you could be onto something
     
  11. GeorgeTelford

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    Fulltimers do not live in a holiday home - it is their home. so maybe thats why they are after taxing it?

    Secondly fulltimers move about and so to police it would be horrendous. They have to have a paper trail though

    Thirdly most fulltimers are officially living at an address ie and so pay council tax there. That would be wrong on so many levels, obtainging insurance by deception etc etc
     
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  12. Munchie

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    If you pay council tax already then you are not required to pay it on your "hoilday" home, I have first hand experience of this.

    "paper trail" the cost of administrating this for someone who moves around a lot would be prohibitive.

    I'm inclined to think that this is all a bit of a myth. :Rofl1:
     
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    If some of the newcomers to this country believed by paying Council Tax for Motorhomes or old buses classed as MH's and that they could rent their garden out for parking, I dread to think how many residents could live at one address:Sad:
     
  14. GeorgeTelford

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    Hi Ken

    If you have a motorhome then to stay legal you must get mail, not hard to catch up with you there.

    With regard to your first hand experience, there must be some error, paying tax on one property does NOT exempt you from paying it on the second, here is a quote from Advice guide on council tax

    "Furnished second or holiday homes in England and Scotland will be liable for council tax but will have a 10% to 50% discount because no one lives there on a permanent basis."

    I am inclined to think this is a myth too, but not absolutely certain.
     
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    No error George, this applies to houses. in my case it's a static caravan. If it was my ONLY residence then council tax would be payable (with a reduction for the time we have to be off site) If you are already paying council tax on your "first residence" then it is not liable on the static.

    There are many people on site who's first residence is in Spain or France and they do not have to pay council tax on there static here.

    As for mail it can be delivered anywhere you choose or as some do on my last site can be picked up from the local GPO office.
     
  16. GeorgeTelford

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    Hi Ken

    we are talking different things here, holiday home as in second home, not a caravan.

    all they have to do is deliver the bill, its up to you to pay it.
     
  17. GJH

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    As an ex council employee in the fields of ICT and implementation of regulatory legislation I have to disagree with that statement.

    I would also point out that council tax legislation, like all tax legislation, is drafted and passed by parliament, not local authorities.

    Perhaps ignorance of that fact explains ignorance of the use of logic by local authority employees.

    Graham
     
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    A number of the previous posts mention liability (or not) for paying in respect of holiday and second homes.

    The Citizens Advice Bureau provides the facts Here.

    Graham
     
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    This really is April 1st stuff guys 'n gals.




    Don't worry. Be happy.
     
  20. GeorgeTelford

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    Matey is trying to forward me an in house email (and failing miserably)

    By phone the outline points are

    Its a VOSA review, for a proposed white paper, it appears to be on all Professionally manufactured/imported Motorhomes registered after 1st Jan 2000

    Council Tax is proposed at £88 for first £10,000 band and £44 per each additional £10,000 on the list price of vehicle (he is not sure whethor that is VAT inclusive) this will be payable to LA of vehicles registered address.

    "Data held by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and other enforcement agencies using ANPR including VOSA will be used to identify and track vehicles, I am assured total countrywide coverage will be reached prior to the proposed launch date."
     
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