Cost of LPG from a garage compared to bottles?

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  1. Encantador

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    I am considering replacing a underslung tank. I can get 13Kg bottles for around £20, just wondering if therte is a simple way to calculate how that compares to gas purchased from a garage pump.

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    Steve
     
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    AVG is about 74ppl so probably a little bit cheaper by £1 or 2 for the underslung for 25 litres
    Also with the tank you don't have to man handle heavy bottles or get the spanner out.

    http://www.filllpg.co.uk/index.php?page=listpricesall.php&listmonths=1
    EDIT Now it seems it can be nearly 90ppl ? which makes a huge difference!!!
    I got mine at 73.9 last week in Leeds
     
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    Hi Steve, I cant comment on the price you get Calor bottles for but £20 for a 13kg seems very cheap to me, I donated one for the heater in the marquee that had been in my garage for many years, because we went over to refillable bottles.
    Its not about cost, its about convenience of not humping bottles about, not thinking oh its nearly empty I better change it.
    With a tank or refillable bottles you top up any time you wish, not only here but also in europe. :thumb:
    If we can we fill up at the Calor depot at Bury St Edmunds, they use to charge 5% vat, but have stopped doing that, but filled up last weekend 66p a litre and our bottles hold 44ltrs.
    And having refillable bottles for well over 5 years, I would not go back to Calor, when we over winter in Spain we take one off and fit our Spanish bottle, again for convenience because we stay on sites for a month, and its easy to change a bottle, rather than drive about looking for the few LPG places that sell gas in Spain. :BigGrin: Bob.
     
  4. aba

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    lpg tends to weigh around half a kilo per litre so a 13kg bottle is about 26 litres.
    so at £1.00 per litre which it isnt it would cost £26 to fill.

    as someone else posted lpg at the pumps has gone up in price but i suppose it wont be long before calor stick their prices up to compensate the only thing is with calor your not paying road duty as you are from the pumps.
     
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    I don't know where you get Calor 13kg for £20:Eeek:. Last time I bought one it was nearly £30 from the Calor distribution place which is usually the cheapest.
    I now have refillables and paid 88p a litre day before yesterday. It is cheaper elsewhere but not worth driving extra to get it, diesel is even more expensive.
    I went for refillables for convenience, I think it would take a very long time to save enough to pay for the initial cost.
    If you can actually get Calor at £20 for 13kg you would never recover the cost as Autogas at 88p a litre works out about £23 for 13kg.

    Edit - just thought, the £30 may have been for two bottles , it was quite a while ago :doh:
     
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  6. Terry

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    Hi Steve 13 kg bottles are around £20/22 each A 13 kg bottle holds 26 ltrs of gas @ 75pper ltr = £19.50 it saves a little every time you fill up :Wink: but if you have smaller bottles you save a lot more :thumb:Your tank will not weigh nearly as much as 2 empty bottles so that may eat into your payload :Smile:In our van I can only fit 8 ltr bottles = £6 to fill against £13 /15 to exchange-the bigger the bottle the cheaper the gas :thumb:
    terry
     
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    Our gas locker takes 2 x 13 kg bottles. The van had 2 x 6kg bottles when I bought it, which I swopped for 13 kg bottles.

    I just replaced one bottle last week at our local Calor supplier, it was £19.95 for the 13 kg.

    http://www.tgsindustrial.co.uk/Page/ProductSummary.aspx?pgid=286

    It used to be £17.95 last year. They will also deliver and pick up the empty for free if you so require.

    Their 6kg replacement bottle is £17.95, so I also swopped my 6 kg BBQ bottle at home to a 13kg. I can also then use that as a spare for the van at any time.
     
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    All I want to say is that if you are thinking of changing your underslung tank, I would be very interested :Wink:

    I have a refillable gaslow bottle. I filled it from empty yesterday, it takes 20 litres (because of 80% cut off) and it cost me £14-44 to fill up. :thumb:

    I also carry a calor lite bottle for BBQ (if the sun ever returns)

    And a 13kg bottle as a spare, although I rarely use it as I just keep the gaslow topped up.

    What is your reason for changing?

    I don't understand?

    but only because I want to go the underslung route
     
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    I just top and and use

    I just top up and use... the RV's have fairly big LPG tanks fitted and at this time I tend to put in about £8 for a long weekend - Thursday to Monday.. that is running the fridge and freezer, heating, hot water. But it is so much easier to pull on to an LPG pump and fill... having said that was not pleased on the way down from Lincoln the other day I got off the M11 to go in to Birchhanger service near Stanstead airport and they had none.. takes ages to work your way round to the pumps and out again.. loads and loads of traffic lights on the roundabout.

    Bob
     
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    If you can get an account with an LPG supplier, they may apply 5% VAT to your bill rather than 20% as charged by a garage. You have to declare that the LPG is used for heating and cooking, not propulsion.
    I have such an account with Countrywide Farmers (they're not - countrywide that is) but are based in the west midlands and southwest. I have a 2 x 11 kg Gaslow systems and seldom have to refill anywhere other than my local depot. With the account I get an electronic key and pin number so can refill at lots of Countrywide points from Shrewsbury to Wellington in Somerset, and from west Wales to Banbury. Most are open 24/7.

    Here is the link in case you live anywhere in the catchment area, but I'm sure there are other suppliers offering a similar scheme.

    http://www.countrywidefarmers.co.uk...EnergyAutogas&pgForward=businesscontentbasic#
     
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    Thanks for all the replies.

    My MH was fitted with underslung tank when I purchased it, this was removed by the dealer before collection as it was `dangerous`.

    There is a thread all about this, anyway turns out it was dangerous and could not be re-fitted, so as everything else is still in place, filler, pipework etc, I am considering having a new tank fitted.

    As has been suggested, it may never be possible to get back the outlay based on the differnce in gas prices, so I have to decide how much I am willing to pay for the convenience.

    Thanks again.

    Steve
     
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    And also Jeanlucs answer. Calor at Bury St Edmunds and Calor at Norwich refuse to sell LPG at 5% VAT now (at least at their pump, a big tanker to your house would be different) They charge 20% and I have given up arguing. I do have the receipts though and will be contacting Customs and Excise about it. If I had an account I would lose out on a 10% discount for paying there and then, OK still a bit cheaper but not worth the hassle. The office staff there are not a cheery bunch. Jane :)
     
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    I bought an 11KG cyclinder 2 weeks ago and filled with LPG in my 11KG Gaslow bottle at the same time.

    Gaslow bottle was empty and a full fill cost £17.
    Swap out of 11KG cycinder was £27.

    £10 cheaper for Gaslow. It will repay itself reasonably quickly as I am a fulltimer. However the convenience of LPG is fantastic. I will be getting rid of the Flogas bottle and getting a second 11Kg gaslow.
     
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    bigger the bottle less you save . a 47kg bottle is cheaper than using the pumps .
     
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    but you still pay more for the same total volume of gas,

    bottled taxed at 5% 26ltrs around £26 (dearer yet lower taxed)

    road fuel taxed at 20% 26ltrs around £20 (cheaper yet higher taxed)
     
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    I pay £19.95 for a 13kg bottle refill, so approx the same....
     
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    You're lucky Callum. That's the official Calor price for 6kg with 13kg about £6 more.
     
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    whilst i have been static in the van i have been using 13kg calor bottles and the exchange i have been paying is £25.50
    the real rip off is the 6kg calor lite at £21.00
     
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    I have used TGS Graham, as they are just a mile down the road. They are official Calor suppliers so i thought this was a "normal" price, last time I paid £17.95 for 13kg. I didn't realise they are apparently very competitive. As I mentioned earlier, they will also deliver for free, so you don't even need to need take the bottle out of the locker, just disconnect it...:thumb:

    6kg = £17.95
    13kg = £19.95
    19kg is £25.95 and
    47kg is £49.95.

    http://www.tgsindustrial.co.uk/Page/ProductSummary.aspx?pgid=286

    Just hope it stays that way......:thumb:
     
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    Try the small 3.8 kg that I am on about £14/15 no wonder I have a refill adapter :BigGrin:-the 47 kg works out at about 50p per ltr :Wink:
    terry
     
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