Corgi vs gas safe

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  1. pappajohn

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    GAS SAFE REGISTER™



    Gas Safe Register became the official stamp for gas safety in Great Britain and the Isle of Man on 1 April 2009. CORGI gas registration is not valid or recognised by law in these regions. To work legally on gas appliances and installations you must be on the Gas Safe Register. Get Gas Safe registered now, you can’t work without it.

    anyone having gas mantainance or repairs done it will be worth asking if the engineer is gas safe registered as if they arent then any paperwork/certificate will not be valid and the engineer will be working on gas illegally.
     
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    sorry to say this
    but i think it a bit of a money making exercise by hmg
    you have to pay to move from corgi registration to gas safe registered
    which will affect small one man buisinesses
    i am lucky my employer pays my fee
    but i think the cost is between £130. -£230 for a paper exercise
    over 30 years the corgi name was used
    people were getting used to it
    then they cancel that name
    here is another name gas safe registered trips off the tongue easily (not)
    leaves the door open to confusion and rip off cons in my opinion
     
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    Hi,

    It sounds like another short sited adventure on the part of the Government/HSE they originally took the name from the original trade association CORGI to CORGI, I think from memory the first letter "C" changed to make it more official and set it up as an arm of the HSE.

    Anyone with any business sense would have surely licensed the name as they knew they would be putting the running of it up for tender every so many years, and thereby the name would have just transferred to the bid winner and the great British public wouldn't have been inconvenienced and it wouldn't have cost millions in advertising to change the name, BUT WHO CARES ITS ONLY OUR MONEY


    Hi, I think Motorhomes are exempt from this
     
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    Carefull boys your in Pammy's playground, say anything nasty and she will either beat you up, or mark your Gas assessment paperwork accordingly:Eeek::Eeek::BigGrin::BigGrin::BigGrin:
    Geo
     
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    im sure ANYONE working with gas has to be a registered installer/engineer regardless of which type.

    i believe bottled/portable gas engineers have to be certified as such and not just as domestic installers/engineers.

    im sure pammy can/will verify this.:thumb:
     
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    agreed......its the same guys using the same qualifications to do the same job but the names changed......pointless paper exercise:Doh:
     
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    i am just glad my qulification runs out 31/03/2011 .
    15/04/2011 i go back to my childhood again
    being a bit wiser though
     
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    Hi,

    Its not the type of gas that is excluded from the Gas Safety Installation and Use Regulations, its caravans and a few other vehicles as long as they are not hirer out, so take caravans equals
    motorhomes
    as long as they are not hired out,

    Therefore from my interpretation of the regulations people working on them don't need to be registered.





     
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    Correct - the actual wording in the Regs is:

    (5) Nothing in these Regulations shall apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting on -

    (e) a caravan used for touring otherwise than when hired out in the course of a business.

    Here's a little bit about the new Gas Safe Register

    Last year, HSE announced changes to the gas engineer registration scheme in Great Britain. The scheme currently operated by CORGI will be replaced on 1 April 2009 by the new Gas Safe Register™ (operated by Capita). The Gas Safe Register will be the only gas engineer registration scheme approved by HSE from 1 April under the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998. All gas engineers wanting to undertake domestic and certain other gas work in Great Britain from 1 April will need, under those Regulations, to be registered with this scheme in order to be able lawfully to carry out any work on gas fittings, which includes gas appliances.

    Gas Safe Register will maintain an up-to-date register of gas engineers who are qualified to install or repair gas fittings and appliances.It will have systems in place to check the competence of gas engineers, inspect their work and to deal with complaints about unsafe gas work. The operation of the Gas Safe Register will be overseen by HSE as the regulator with responsibility for gas safety. In the context of domestic gas safety this means that from 1 April, in order to ensure that gas engineers are lawfully able to carry out the gas work, domestic users of gas should ask for a Gas Safe Registered Engineer and not any other. The CORGI register will no longer count for those purposes.

    The Gas Safe Register opened on Monday 19th January for currently registered gas engineers to register in advance with new scheme by telephone or through the website: Gas Safe Register - make sure your gas engineer is registered[1].

    Hope you find the info useful.

    As far as motorhomes/caravans are concerned - watch this space - I'm sure something is looming:cry:

    Pammy
     
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    Correct - the actual wording in the Regs is:

    (5) Nothing in these Regulations shall apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting on -

    (e) a caravan used for touring otherwise than when hired out in the course of a business.




    so basicly my 85year old mother in law could theoreticley fit me a new gas fridge in the van and if something went wrong and i died of CO poisoning theres nothing, apart from the criminal courts side of things, anyone could do to her.


    is it not the same poisonous gas as a domestic appliance could give off ...'course it is!

    the laws an a**ehole.:Angry:
     
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    Gas

    Its important to know that gas through your main and LPG is very different gas. A Corgi/Gas Safe engineer is very unlikely to have ever worked on LPG and very few carry the Corgi/Gas Safe LPG papers.

    Its much more important to have an engineer that has worked on LPG and understands it. Picking a Corgi/Gas safe engineer isn't likely to give you this. Get yourself a caravan/motorhome engineer and they should know what they are doing.
     
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    i always thought corgi couldn,t work on m,homes. i was understanding they could work on caravans or site homes. but not m,homes. was it true or am i dreaming it? there is a world of difference in the laws of m,homes n caravans . same gas as houses but we dont make the rules.
     
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    definately dont agree with ubuntu i on that one .
     
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    Give the ol girl a break John
    have you not got any nieces who could do the job:Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    hi Pammy,

    i have a lifetime HSE prohibition order on my head for 'removing' a gas fire for the chimney sweep.
    the tenants had complained of symptoms of gas poisoning and the hospital called in the HSE....as they are required to do so i'v been told.

    just so happened they (HSE)visited when the chimney sweep was there.

    the guy in charge went off on one:Eeek:real stroppy ba**ard.:Angry:
    when i asked what the problem was with removal and not installing they asked how i tested the system to ensure no gas leaks....
    i couldnt answer as i hadnt but would have when the fire went back.
    the same way the plumbers do....leak detector spray.
     
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    There are three types of LPG Gas categories.

    LPG RPH = LPG Certification for Residental Park Homes - (Statics)
    LPG - PD = LPG Certification for Permanent Dwellings (Brick type houses only with LPG tanks and not Domestic Natural Gas mains)
    LPG -LAV = LPG Certification for Leisure Accommodation Vehicles (Rolling Shells)

    A lot of Corgi/Gas Safe Registered Engineers will do the Natural Gas certification and then do the changeover from Nat Gas to LPG. So say, a gas engineer has the Natural Gas Safety and 4 appliances (Fires, Cookers, Boilers and Water Heaters) when he does the changeover to LPG he will be able to do the appliances as well in the Residental Park Homes and Permanent Dwellings

    If though the engineer wants to work on the Leisure Accomodation Vehicles, once he has done the changeover he will then only be able to do gas safety checks. If he wants to work on the caravan appliances then he will have to prove compentency for each type of appliance he wants to work on ie, Fridges, boilers, water heaters.

    There are more Corgi/Gas Safe engineers working on this type of gas than you imagine.
     
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    The following regulation in the Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 states:

    "No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so".

    Here you go, have a read:

    Statutory Instrument 1998 No. 2451

    It'll blow your mind:Rofl1:
     
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    the same way the plumbers do....leak detector spray.[/QUOTE]

    John, I think you mean
    the same way the gas fitters do (plumbers are not allowed to take fires out either):Rofl1::Doh:

    but yes, leak detector spray and of course, the good new gas analyser tests that they have to do now and prove competency in before they can use them.:Doh:
     
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    hello pammy .as i wrote earlier general interpretation and application .sec.5 a...self propeled vehicle not conected to abussiness. not covered by the instruments. we can fix our own or somebody elses camper. the rules dont appear to apply sometimes. makes you smile really.
     
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