Concorde Charisma CoC - Desperate plea

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  1. Concorde

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    We have a Concorde Charisma 2 ...ours is an 840L. Now its a real big longshot but we are having one hell of a bad time registering ours in France where we now live. Ours is a Dec 2007 (2008 Model) and as such never had a Certificate of Conformity issued. Yes we have been taking to the factory, we have even visited, but still we cant get a CoC from them due to German privacy laws, they say we would have to find one from another owner. so frustrating! The DRIRE here, like the DOT have agreed that they will register our van but we need to provide then with an example CoC for a similar vehicle. Without it they wont agree the cabin, or the wing mirrors conform. This was the latest visit today...so thats way further than we have managed to get in the past 14months...at least we left their offices with a glimmer of hope! (its taken 7 months and 600 quid just to get a conformity certificate from Iveco for the chassis! well a letter to say that is doesn't conform) So we were wondering by some stroke of luck if anyone out there has copy of a CoC for a Charisma 2? If we don't succeed this time its going to have to be sold....its so frustrating as we love the van and have spent a small fortune on it! Anyway, all the best from here in France. Regards Mark & Caroline mark.leggett@me.com
     
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    I thought privicy laws related to people not vehicles. Seems very unreasonable.
    Can you contact a concorde owners club?
     
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    Don't see how that would help the converters C of C is specific to the vehicle and has the VIN number on it. Don't understand why Concorde won't supply one, Hymer do at a cost. I think you have just spoken to the wrong person at Concorde if you know who the original supplying dealer was it could be worth going through them if they are still Concorde dealers they may get better results than an individual.
     
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    Hi
    We have a Charisma 2, 890M. Very similar to 840 M I think, apart from length. I'll have a trawl through the docs after tea, see if we have a COC. If not, I'll give Southdowns a ring and see if they can help.
     
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  5. Concorde

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    Thanks for that...you never know those huge blue briefcases contain all sorts of stuff! I have talked to Ben at Southdowns but sadly they don't any copies and they don't have a Charisma 2 in the used stock to even go and rifle through. I know Concorde didn't start issuing CoC's until 2009.....had I have known that Id have bought a later one!
     
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    Not sure if this will help but may be worth a try....
    If there is anyone on here that is still on the Dark Side they may be able to ask this chap who posted there.....

    http://www.The Dark Side.com/forum-printtopic-1-173641-0-0-asc-viewresult-1.html

    Our new van has so many accessories and optional extras fitted, that we're going to be close to our weight limit of 5990KG.

    It's on a Mercedes Sprinter base.
    It's an Automatic and has airbrakes.

    Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of the possible uprating outcome on this particular set-up.
    What, if any, increase in payload could i get.

    The cost itself wouldn't be an issue, if it means staying safe and legal.

    I'm aware of SVtech and have drafted an email to them.

    I'm not technically minded and the form just confused me.

    All my paperwork, including the certificate of conformity is in German, would this cause problems?


    Slightly different model number but might be worth a try? The link above is being changed by those naughty fairies but if you Google 'Concord Charisma Certificate of Conformity' it is 2nd or 3rd item down.

    Just noticed this is on a Sprinter base so probably no good.
     
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  7. Concorde

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    Don't ask me why German privacy laws work in the way they do. I have a good relationship with the guys who work there, but still there is NO chance of them letting one out....as for the logic of the French! I was just lucky enough to meet us with someone I know who works there at DRIRE toady, a classic motorbike nut, who helpfully suggested that they could do it via this route of a CoC for a similar vehicle. After 14 months of hard work, 11 trips to the prefecture, 7 months of agro with Iveco getting a chassis CoC.... I would have happily bought a CoC if they could have supplied one. The only alternative beyond that is €15,000 or more for a UTAC inspection in Paris, with no guarantee it will pass (The guy at DRIRE doubted it stood a chance!)
     
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    Blimey that's a nightmare, sounds like the French don't really want to be part of the EU.
     
  9. Concorde

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    You would'nt believe it. Ive been refused registration of my pickup on the basis of the UK not being part of Europe...I went ballistic! the woman in the Prefecture said it was her decision based on the fact that the UK didn't use the euro. With that she pulled down the blind in at her position....end of story!
     
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    They are just in the EU for the handouts.
     
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    No luck in my blue briefcase I'm afraid. I was going to try Ben at Southdowns but I see you have already done that. I'll try emailing Russell Ayling, with a link to this thread.
    We are also planning to register our Charisma in France but not until next year.
    Whereabouts in France are you?
     
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    We've registered 3 cars in France which originated in the UK, none had CoC but the French HQ of the manufacturer sent me a letter confirming that the cars met European regulations at the time they were built..That was sufficient....

    So try Concorde France, see if they can provide one or a letter saying it does meet the requirements at the date of manufacture...a letter in French from a French company or office with a French address works wonders....

    This has been a major problem of UK caravanners for years who have wanted to register UK built caravans in France...
     
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    Cricky Mark. Cannot believe you are still going through all this.
     
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    We are here near Le Mont St Michel right on the Brittany Normandy border...where are you planning on heading to? We have been here 8 years now, and just love the place....
     
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    Bloody van has just spent 4 weeks at the local dealers whilst they ticked boxes for the paper work....one sheet of A4 !!! Been told today unless we can find a CoC for a similar van then we have little or no chance of registering it here....so bloody frustrating
     
  16. Concorde

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    Sadly Opale Evasion are the distributors here in France, I called them and asked if they could help...its was a bit like the Monty Python sketch...(in a french accent) I wiggle my nose at you!!! I was told I they would do nothing to her me, I should have bought my Concorde from them in France. They even refused to point blank to undertake any serve work on it. Having been here 8 years and speaking reasonable french I was disgusted. The guy I talked to was bloody rude. Not what I had expected of Concorde

    Likewise, I've registered a number of vehicles here, and most have been a doddle...the only problem one has been a Ford F350 Dually....now thats was a pain. my last Hymer S820 was not straightforward as I had to go through Recpetion Titre Isolé, like the UK SVA. but it was ok....but this one, Give me Strength!
     
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    Yodeli (Frankie) who is a member here knows of a man that can in France, maybe an idea to contact her for his details?
     
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    Hobby France have the same stance and an 'agreement' allegedly that Hobby Germany will not supply CofC to individuals in France. Hobby France, who are really just the main dealer/distributor in France and not part of the Hobby group, also state that you should have bought directly in France not cheaper from elsewhere, and why should we jump through hoops to dig you out of the hole you've jumped in!!! if you insist then we will charge you by the bucketful and make it as frustrating as possible..

    One faint hope maybe would be to go to the Paris exhibition in September and make such a fuss that they agree to help just to get you off the stand:mad:
     
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    So, if you have to sell this one back in the UK and buy in France I can guess that you won't be buying of Opale Evasion.

    Martin
     
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    Sounds like a good idea might be worth a trip up to Dusseldorf with the same option in mind, some of the big chiefs may be around at Dusseldorf.
     
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