CL or CS Owner?

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  1. Jim

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    Got told today that a CL is subject to Business Rates at a rateable value of 20% of estimated turnover:Eeek:. Are you a CL owner? Is this the norm? or just our local Ceredigion council taking the Pee :Smile:
     
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    Jim, you may find this link useful.

    As the CL is in Wales the calculations will differ from London


    How business rates are calculated | Business Link

    Use this link to find out the current rateable value of the property:

    Find the current rateable value of a property in England or Wales and view the summary valuation on the VOA website - Opens in a new window.


    Use one of these two links to estimate what the business rates are likely to cost

    Business Rates calculator

    Estimate your rates bill | Business Link

    Use this link to decide whether the CL can be classed under the special category code 123- Gypsy camp sites
    VOA - Business Rates[​IMG]

    Business Rates > Special Category Codes ... 123 - Gypsy camp sites. 417 - Hairdressing & beauty salons. 175 - Hardrock quarries ...
    Valuation Office Agency - homepagebusiness_rates/RLI/Scats/scat.htm - Cached - Similar


    DONT FORGET to apply for Small Business Rate Relief - not that RVs relates in this context to rateable value
    Small Business Rate Relief Scheme warning

    You must apply to the billing authority for registration as a small business. A ratepayer is only eligible for SBRR with either a single small property, or, one main property and other minor properties providing they each have rv's of less than £2,200 and the rv's of all the properties is under the "large threshold" (£15,000 in England and £21,500 in London). In Wales the SBRR ceiling is usually £5,000 - but £12,000 for post offices (swyddfa bost).


    Hope this is helpful
     
  3. dylan

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    Jim, we have been told over the phone, no letter arrived as yet, that we have to pay business rates ! We will of course be fighting it all the way to the Assembly :boxing::swear::swear: It seems at the moment pay up or close down :cry: Will update asap.
     
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    As clear as mud Gail, so what rateable value should I be looking at for a CL in Devon, I can't get a clue from those sites am I thick or what.
     
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    blimey what a bummer, i thought the 5 van sites thing got round all the red tape, but as usual the government wants to dip their sticky fingers in,

    we've always wanted to have a bit of land to use as a CL, not going to happen as we'll be renting for ever, but with hassle like that, we'd think twice, as i imagine others have done, hence more close than new uns open.
     
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    Its the Valuation Office that will set the rate, based upon projected turnoover. Its a good job you have only just opened as in my experience they always back date to opening day:RollEyes: You need to convince them that your turnover is miniscule.

    If it is the same as my council, 20% of turnover = ratable value. But remember you wont pay that, you pay a rate per £, that rate is variable, about 48p (I think)

    So if you turned over £2000 a year, 20% = £400 which will be a bill of around £190, I think... I have had a few glasses of red :)
     
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    We have been told over the phone what my rate is just awaiting the letter to confirm it.
    I will apply for the rebate and get advice of course from MP and Assembly as they do welcome tourism. Not told anything about turnover and percentages.
     
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    Not only do they not get around the red tape but if the local planning authority have any objections a licence is refused, just because they don't want to upset anyone. Even though they could grant an application irrespective of planning opinion. Life is tough so you have business rates, water rates, sewerage charge, rubbish removal charge and income tax all to come out of the £5-12 a night add the costs of setting it up and you can see it is a labour of love not of commerce. So next time you are on a CL have pity on the poor old owner they are not rolling in it, most are fighting to keep their heads above water. Let alone recoup setup costs. and make a profit.
     
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    Te welsh tourist board spend $$$$$$$$$$ advertising "come to Wales"

    Me thinks it should really say "Wales is closed to tourism"
     
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    being on a few biker forums, wales is closed to bikers thanks to that brunstrom bloke hating them, i deffo wouldent ride a bike in wales nowadays, even tho i never ride like a holigan and respect speed limits.

    but for the red tape thing, i read it as the 5 van limit thing was to get round planning applications, ok i guess you still need some form of permision, but nothing like if setting up a campsite as your main income.

    i also appreciate CL's and their owners, but also know they arent intended to be a main source of income, which is part of their charm to most, they are run by people with a passion for caravanning or motorhoming, and not someone who has pound signs apeer in their eyes and say 'kerching' every time a motorhome drives down the approach road.

    BUT i do object to CL's that are nothing more than a bumpy field of sheep poo with a stand pipe at the muddiest end, 25 miles in any direction from anything remotely interesting, charging the same price as it costs to stay on a club site near london,
     
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    But.. for some that is the attraction .. how much is 'getting away from the maddening crowd' worth ?

    Personally, I'd rather be on a quiet remote CL with a standpipe and cesspit than a commercial site near a town..

    For me it's PRICELESS ..

    Long live the basic CL .. that's why we have all mod con vans , isn't it ?
     
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    My CL application is still going ahead, will just have to have more rallies to cover basic costs, after all the whole idea of it was to legalise visits by many friends, if Wildman can't go to the rallies then the rallies must come to wildman, hee hee:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    Our letter came this morning and its from April 2009 till April 2010 and we will object to paying this sum ! We asked what benefits we get paying business rates and he said he didn't understand what I meant ! We did find out there are NO benefits at all. Just another Tax.
     
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    oh i've got no problems with basic CL's, thats what i prefer, and the odd club site with no bog block, but i object to them trying to charge the same rate as youd pay for a full facilities proper campsite when it's just a field in the middle of nowhere.

    i guess i'm spoilt from using the aire de camping car and wohnmobile stellplatz system abroad.
     
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    There are thousands of bikers here in my area every weekend going to the biker cafe in Llandovery so not everyone thinks Wales is closed to bikers.

    As for the campsite I don't have loos or showers but have the required facilities. No sheep and no mud and a stone road to stone hardstandings. I now have to pay business rates on this and if I had a bumpy field with sheep poo I wouldn't have to pay business rates the VOA man said.
     
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    Eileen's & Marks site is really lovely and charges same price all year round, takes large rvs'
    and so peaceful, railway station is only a stones throw away,

    eileen, you are in wales so sheep and poo could be arranged:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    Thanks Ruth, yep take up hardstanding get rid of electric arrange sheep - poo comes naturally - and save ourselves a bundle ! May still get the odd camper who likes it like that!! Makes you wonder why we bother :Doh:
     
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    Tell them you have now closed down and its for visiting friends only (Funsters) and they only pay a 'contribution' towards upkeep!:Eeek:

    Might work

    Peter
     
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    so I have to make sure the cows are in there when they come to inspect then, hee hee
     
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