Citroen Dyane`s and an A frame

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  1. meexi

    meexi Read Only Funster

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    Can anybody tell me if i need a braked or unbraked A frame to tow a Citroen Dyane the kerb weight of 594KG suggest unbraked but what do you guys think?

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    it's the trailer's (toad's) GVW that determines whether braking is required or not .. check the plate on the car, I think you'll find the Dyane's GVW is more than 750kg ..

    regulations here http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/identification_plates.aspx

     
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    does the dyane have brakes fitted ????
    if it has they have to work when it becomes a trailer.
     
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    And even if the GVW is under 750 kg which I doubt
    Does itnot become brakes must work if fitted?


    Mel
     
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    I have not got the car yet, What i did find find was this.

    What's the maximum weight I can carry in my trailer?
    Trailer has no brakes (Unbraked Trailer)

    • Maximum 750kg gross trailer weight or half the towing vehicle's kerb weight - whichever is less.


    Thats what got me thinking as i cannot find the GVW for the Dyane.
     
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    up to the towing vehicles train weight.

    what you need to do is borrow one and get it to a weigh bridge and see if the weight of the dyane and the trailer is under 750kg
     
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    Citroen Dyane 6 32 kw

    GVW 930kg

    Mel
     
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    Should be32hp not kw sorry

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    gross vehicle weight only applies if you are A-framing it if its on a trailer its the gvw of the trailer that counts and as long as the car and trailer are under the gvw of the trailer AND is between the gvw and the train weight of the towing vehicle.


    i notice you have a tag hymer so you will be limited on train weight.
     
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    So i would have to make a system that pulled the brake pedal on when i braked?
     
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    Anybody selling a Citroen Dyane :Wink::Wink:
     
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    any wheel in contact with the road that has brakes fitted, they must work effectively. so regardless of weight, ANY car being towed on an A frame needs to have a proper braking system connected, like the brake buddy I think they call it.

    still doesnt answer the bigger question though about legality. if they are illegal to use in one or more member state of the EU like it is in Spain, it will soon be ruled illegal elsewhere. At the moment people rely on them being a so called grey area of law.... is it a car or trailer? As modern cars have type approval, changing its use or structure affects this making such frames illegal
     
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    contact 2cv club uk they should know as several of their owners
    have motorhomes.
     
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    Hi Meexi
    I have a 2cv special which has a custom built trailer. Together they are supposed to weigh in at less than 750 kg, it is unbraked and i have been up to Scotland with it. Dont know if it has been legal but it towed well.
    As you know i have the same Hymer as you.
    Pain in the a**e to use the trailer.
    Selling the Hymer soon, turned the trailer into a box trailer but i want to keep my "cecille" as i love driving in her.
    Look carefully if you are getting a 2cv. They are not cheap as they are a bit of a collectors piece.
    Another to consider is the old fiat 500 as they come in at just over 500kg.
     
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    Hi, the first thing to check, is what you can tow behind your motorhome, a lot of tag axles have very small train weights.

    We had a Fiat Cinquecento on an a frame, nice little car with 4 seats. :thumb:

    We now tow a Smart on a trailer, weighing about 1070kg including the trailer, and the trailer being plated at 1300kg, but our motorhome has a train weight of 1700kg. :thumb: Bob.
     
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    Re the above, if you look on your rating plate for your motorhome you will see a figure for MGW and for train weight. (the two highest figures on the plate) if you subtract the MGW from the train weight you will get the maximum you can tow, which on a lot of tag axle vans is so low that you really can't tow anything.
     
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    I thnk you will find with the B694 it is 4000kg with a GVR of 4800kg. Hence the reason for my 2cv and trailer.
     
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    For the life of me i shall never understand why anyone wold want to tow a car behind a motorhome. Does it not make more sense to buy a car and caravan. I gave up caravaning to enable me to be free and be able to visit more remote destinations and not have the hassle of winding legs down and not having to unhitch every night. BUSBY.
     
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    But then you dont have the option of going 'solo' if you want.

    a small car allows you to go 'sightseeing' and visiting areas with limited access without having to pack everything back in the motorhome for a days ride out then doing the reverse when you return to the campsite...assuming you still have a pitch on your return.
     
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    I may think the same.
    But its not the same as a caravan.
    You have total fredom with a car at the back.
    And no i dont tow a car.
    Fredom of choice thats what its all about.


    Mel
     
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