Choice between 3500 and 3850 kgs or more

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  1. Handyr

    Handyr Funster

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    I have been looking at some quite spacious MHs with a u-shaped lounge that can be a double or two singles, plus a half dinette with a couple of seat belts. I have narrowed it down to an Elddis 950 or Bailey 765 (the new lighter Baileys don't have singles at the back) or like.

    I have looked at the restrictions on the heavier vehicles, speed, age, access to some French towns etc.

    Have people generally felt that the restrictions are onerous or really affect their enjoyment? I know the higher quality vans for this layout would all be on the heavy side. I am happy for an entry level van and the Elddis looks a good bet. (Please don't repeat all the problem stuff here!).

    Is that extra bit of weight worth it?
     
  2. Boringfrog

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    I could be wrong, but I have not seen that many 3.5T restrictions in France, saying that I'm sure I saw one today leading to an Aire in Le Crotoy, full of vans and I'm sure lots over 3.5T.
     
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    Go with higher weight. More payload, lower RFL and I've rarely seen 3.5t restrictions anywhere. French tolls are ok if u press button and say camping car
     
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    No bother at all as for speed we don't do much over 50 mph so it doesn't worry us one bit and we can take everything we need without worrying about overloading.
    Go for it!
     
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    Do you have the correct licence for a heavier van......C1 or C
     
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    Just returned from France/Belgium and the 3.5t signs I saw where all on narrow side streets, residential areas.
    Never saw any, restricting where I wanted to go. Saw more 5t restrictions.
     
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    Many of the weight restrictions in France (and elsewhere?) relate only to lorises and don't apply to Motorhomes - it depends on which sign is being displayed.

    Ian
     
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    Go for the 3850 or above
     
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    We are 4.25t and just over 3m high, but 6.4m long so perhaps look smaller. Have so far always come in at class 2. Seen restrictions on 3.5t but most would not want go near or ignored one as it did not seem to be a bridge, have no idea why restricted.

    If the payload and layout is ok then go lighter, why not, but do not worry about going over you may just pay a but more for breakdown etc...

    Just to clarify it has not been an issue for us just annoying sometimes when everything under3.5 is standard and over 3.5 is not.
     
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    I've never been penalised for weight and my van looks like any other froggy 3.5ton
    Just raising mine from 4250 to 4750 today
     
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    We are over 3.5t but have no problems in France. Occasionally, but not often, we have ignored 3.5t signs in town centres but, as we look like any other under 3.5t m/h have never been in trouble.

    However, we would avoid bridges with a 3.5t limit!
     
  12. Handyr

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    Yes I have the right licence for the next four years at least! Also used to have a class 1 HGV
     
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    Our Hymer B644 is rated at 3850 and when loaded with full tanks we are not far off the limit. I know we have a solidly built van but I don't know how we would manage if we had to downsize to 3500.
     
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    Always worth a mention.
    Some folks dont have a clue as to whats needed.
     
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    Thanks for all the advice. I'm just off to look at a new Elddis 195 (3500) have seen a used Bailey 765 (3850). There are only two of plus dog and maybe occasional grandchild so probably won't worry too much about payload. Worried about buying new, depreciation etc. but looking around similar layouts difficult to find second hand. Most vans seem to be fixed beds.
     
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    No such thing as too much payload.
    Far too many vans being sold at 3500 kgs with virtually no payload which are really not fit for purpose.
    Whatever you decide insist on it going to a local public weighbridge before you part with any dosh. You could be in for a surprise.
    Good luck (y)
     
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    One of the very first things we will do when we get the new van is the weighbridge visit. It will be plated at 3650 rather than 3500 (we had the option for either at no extra charge) so we hope that will be plenty. The present van is 3500 and weighbridge with us, full fuel and half fresh water, fully loaded with all the other "stuff" except kayaks we were still 200kg under. The new van will be a heavier base vehicle and we intend to carry both kayaks and bikes.
     
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    Absolutely spot on re 3500 vans.

    Reading this months MMM which tests an Auto Sleeper Corinium. Has a calculated payload of 293 kg WITHOUT water on board. It goes on to say that the premium pack takes another 37 kg out of the payload, and the spare wheel another 25kg.

    This leaves about 225 kg payload...let's say you both weigh 75kg (total 150 kg), this means that running with no water on board, your payload is only 75 kg.

    Absolutely not fit for purpose, although you can have it replated to 4000 kg. Its definitely not a 3,500 van by any stretch of the imagination and I get quite angry at the reporters for not slamming the manufacturers hard for being so disingenuous.

    Rant over but payload is king!
     
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    Double post..
     
  20. Handyr

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    Thanks. Confused now about payload. What figures are used? What figures should I look for in the manufacturer's spec? How does fuel and water and waste impact the figures? I know optional extras need adding on. Does the driver and passenger count against the load? What would be a useful minimum safe payload? These major manufacturers must have taken this into account, surely.
     
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