Cheyenne 660se

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  1. zulurita

    zulurita Funster

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    Thought I would make a start in this section :Smile:

    I find that generally the Auto-Trail motorhomes are well built. We are on our fourth auto-trail starting with the cheyenne 634L then 635 but didn't like the bed make up on this model. Our 3rd was a 2004 Cheyenne 660SE which we had for nearly four years and found on the whole that was very reliable.

    Collected our current Cheyenne 660SE in November so haven't been able to give this a proper test as yet. So far the build appears up to their good standard.
    New features compared to our old one includes flip down TV monitor which seems quite good. One thing to watch out for: if any work on the mh involves eg dismantling battery charger then make sure the service centre re-programs the radio.

    We had our charging unit replaced and on the way home the radio wouldn't work. On turning off engine radio worked but SRC button wouldn't work. This is needed to switch to EXT-IN so that you get sound when watching TV.

    This was sorted by the dealer and I was told radio had to be re-programmed. As it was all set up on collection I didn't know about this. Still don't know why the radio didn't work with engine on! But have checked afterwards and seems ok now. I don't always find the handbooks/manuals very clear when trying to sort these kind of things out.

    Back to the motorhome: other changes:

    Bigger fridge which is nice but don't know yet how much gas it will use.

    Rear window has gone which is nice when reading in bed.

    Two wardrobes and a cupboard with shelves which is useful.

    Leisure battery compartment now under offside sideskirts: This I do not like as more exposed to the elements and in frost/freezing conditions not so good.

    No spare wheel but a puncture kit. This leaves good storage at the rear but the rear skirt is flimsy and no proper lock for securing equipment stored there.

    The nearside locker door has gone. Underseat access ok from inside but less room inder the seat than before.

    Gas locker now on nearside but only takes Calor 13kg x 1 and 6kg x1 (Propane) or equivalent in butane.

    New kitchen surface which I like, same for round table and large table.

    I also like the new LED lighting but have yet to try the 12v side of things properly like when we are touring in France and using 12v only.

    The fixed bed seems more comfortable.

    A NEW habitation door: ? better than previous new door 2006/7 However we have had issues with this already when door wouldn't lock with central locking fob or manually. Luckily we were overnighting at the dealers and it was rectified next day but felt very insecure that night. Couldn't seem to lock it manually either from inside. seems ok now.

    What I would like is a way to additionally secure the door from inside. When using the fob or buttons in the cab to lock door I have no way of physically checking door is locked other than making sure the silver levers are pushed right in. On the old door once the lever was in the up position I new it was locked and I could wedge a piece of wood that fitted in nicely between lever and plastic surround so it prevented latch being opened from outside.

    I have probably missed a few things but they are the ones that spring to mind.

    Have used the new MH for over 2 weeks in Nov and a few days this Dec and have found it very good apart from from minor issues. Will know more after our long trip to France in 2008.
     
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    Welcome to the forum, I bought my 2005 Apache in November. Only used it for 2 nights so far, but on the whole we are happy with our purchase.
     
  3. zulurita

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    andyman,

    Happy travelling in your Apache, do you belong to the Auto-Trail club?
     
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    Hi Rita
    Nice to see you on our friendly site :BigGrin:
    Looking forward to reading your travel stories here :thumb: Great to see you again :Smile:

    Keith
     
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    Thank you Keith >:)

    Must remember to write a blog this year as I didn't do one last year :Blush:

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU
     
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    Our first run out since Christmas and New Year was to the Shepton Mallet show. We went from the thurs until the monday.

    Just to report that all went well and the Cheyenne 660SE performed well. We were on hook-up so still not able to see how the 12v system coped. Will do so when its a bit warmer.

    The sargant charger/control panel did show a reading of 15.1v one morning but I think this must be due to the cold weather and A/T siting the batteries under the offside side skirts on a platform beneath the offside seat. Very exposed to the weather here and the only explanation I could think of for the control panel to show a higher volatage than one would expect. It only seemed to be in the morning (well didn't notice at night as I was asleep :Wink:) otherwise seemed ok.

    The blow air heating kept us warm as toast :BigGrin:
     
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    Autotrail Cheyene 660SE

    I bought a 2004 Autotrail Cheyene from Brownhills Newark last October and have just returned from 3 months in Spain towing an A Frame. All in all I am very pleased with the van apart from the niggling fact that when in bed there is no where to lean my head to read a book - I cannot read lying flat on the bed!! My experiences driving the vehicle on the continent were; a french white van man broke my passenger door wing mirror (Brownhills quote £204:09 + vat for part plus 1 hours labour of £70 plus vat) Autotrail at Grimsby did not want to know!)
    Travelling down the motorway near Madrid I heard a loud bang and a decelaration of power. I stopped at the next toll station and contacted SAGA breakdown who sent a breakdown truck after 5 hours. The turbo hose had come off the turbo. Apparantly this is a common fault with the Fiat /Ducato engines due to them using a crimp type jubilee clip to keep the hose on. To avoid any further problems I recommed you change the to the jubilee clips you can tighten with a spanner/screwdriver. I think the diameter is 3". Keep a couple spare in your tool kit. Next problem was on connecting the A Frame to the motorhome the indicators would not work and on investigation found that the 10amp fuse had blown (this is a smaller size fuse than the conventional car fuse!) A friendly french garage mechanic told me that the added electrical load towing the car placed a burden on the motorhome electrics, he replaced the fuse with the next grading up. So far so good.
    Ian
     
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    Hi Ian,

    Sorry to hear of your mishaps. A lot of money for a new wing mirror:cry: Probably even more on the new Ducato X2/50 chassis. Did you try a Fiat dealer?

    Yes have read about the turbo hose coming off and I bought a jubille clip just in case.

    Exchanging 10amp fuse for a higher one!! There was a report on another forum when a French garage did that and all his wires melted!!! So perhaps check it is safe to have the higher rated fuse.

    Luckily for us the new Cheyenne 660 doesn't have a rear window so reading in bed is just fine now. I agree in our 2004 model that was a bit annoying.
     
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    Just arrived back from 3 months travelling in France with the NEW motorhome.

    I can report that all went well on the whole and we have done over 4,000 miles now and some of that up and down very high passes.

    So the NEW Fiat Ducato coped quite well apart from this Famous reverse gear juddering!!! I did find this to be a PAIN reversing on anything other than very smooth surface and flat surface at that.

    The slightest incline or rough ground eg: gravel or even just hard ground and even trying to reverse on a grass pitch then it JUDDERS! Levelling: forget trying to reverse up levellers!! I tried upping the rpm but ended up stalling twice and gave up in the end.

    Other than that the new Ducato coped well.

    The Hekki on the Auto-Trail cheyenne 660 is another matter. With all the hot weather we had, we could only open this slightly and then the winding handle went all tight and we were afraid to force it.

    To me this winding handle seems a bit or rather very fragile and not man enough for the job. The Rapido has a much thicker winding handle. Also when open the support seems flimsy as well, and any wind makes the Hekki flap much more than our push up one on the previous Cheyenne 660. What would happen if we could open this more!

    The fresh water tank overflow is another matter. We would fill up with water at an Aire de Service and as you probably know they will dispense 100 litres of water. We drive off and reach our destination and end up with 75% or even 50% water. A friend said we were gushing water going up hills or turning corners!! Not very good! I did try not to fill up but sometimes we couldn't avoid it and if you have paid for the water it is a pain to lose 25% or more!

    In the end I trimmed a wine cork with a plastic top and fitted that at the end of the overflow pipe. This did the job for the rest of the holiday.

    Other than that we only had some minor niggles which I dare say will be sorted soon.
     
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    Exelent report especially as we fancy a Cheyene 740s or 840s.

    The problems with the Fiat have put us off changing untill there is a cure though. I know we could get a Merc on the 740 but none are aviable untill 2009.

    At least the Autotrail bit has been ok apart from a few small problems.


    Thanks Richard...
     
  11. zulurita

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    Glad it helped Richard.

    I must say the Fiat problems are off putting. To be honest even though the motorhome drives very well, unless FIAT address this reverse juddering issue and fully resolve the water ingress issue then I for one may not purchase another Fiat based motorhome.

    I am on my 6th motorhome 4 on a Fiat and 1 on a Peugeot and 1 on a VW so the manufacturers/dealers have had a bit of money off me. My next one may be in 3 years time............but then may be not unless these manufacturers get their act together and consider the customer.

    I have read reports that even Ford has a lot of componets from the sevel group so this means limited choices for us the customer.

    Mercedes is more expensive but if it is more reliable.................
     
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    cheyenne 740s se

    just been reading your posted on the 660se,as we have a new 740s with only three outings so far.its a good layout we wanted the same as our old fleetwood caravan,that we did being that the front seating been shorter.

    we have had some small bits to do at chelstons,lock on the door to the bedroom was catching on the frame,also i found the rear backpanel(grey) were the spare wheel could be housed has split. we were told that we will be getting a new rear panel.

    one thing we have put in is a mirowave into the housing above the very large fridge,but we find that it does vibrate when travellling on B roads.

    Has anyone got any way of stopping this, we mite make a cover of pillows to see if this will stop it from vibrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So far the 740s is working well,but it will have a better work out in sept when we go away for a few weeks.
    :Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile::Smile:
     
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    Hi 740's man,

    Glad you like your mh. we also fancied a 740 but went instead for another 660.

    Are you going abroad for Sept? as we shall be in France then also after visiting my mother in Swansea.

    We are still enjoying our 660 but this reversing lark is a real pain in the backside. I wish FIAT would sort this issue out.
     
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    We have the 840D

    We got the new 840D about 3/4 weeks back and we have problems with the roof opening windows and the side door just like some of you but apart from that we like it, but time will tell we will see when we go to Spain in Nov for 3/4mths.

    PS:we are looking boom arm and round table in black as it does not come with the 840 if you no of one up for sale pm me please,and just got in with the Auto trail club for free first year.
     
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    There is an Auto Trail rally at Kirkby Lonsdale from this Thursday, supposed to be for a week but it has been extended I believe because the Keswick rally was cancelled. The rugby Club wanted £20 a night (can you believe it!! what a rip off).

    We did notice the other day our coolant was down to minimum level so had to top up with Parflu. Never had this happen in a motorhome before! still I checked before driving off today and found that the level was the same after topping up. So pleased. Will keep an eye on it. Just hopping it was due to all the Alps etc on our 3 months tour in France and some very hilly areas here in Yorkshire.
     
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    Hi we are a bit new to this motorhoming lark, we have a cheynne 660, great apart from the reverse problem,
     
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    Well the Cheyenne 660 SE on Fiat 2.3 litre 130 multijet has just returned from another stint in France. All in all nearly 5 months in France this year and over 6,000 miles notched up.

    Apart from the reversing judder it has performed well and has survived Alps etc.

    If Fiat can get this reversing problem, high reverse gear, sorted then I will be a happy bunny. If not then Fiat will lose a customer.

    Having said that Auto Trail are ditching the Mercedes! So where that leaves me regarding choice of base vehicle, heaven knows. Change make of motorhome?
     
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    The mh had its first service last month. All went well.

    Chelston Motorhomes in Somerset did both the Fiat and habitation side and sorted out some problems for us. They even changed the big hekki for us as it was difficult to retract flyscreen blind due to the runner being warped in one spot.

    The habitation door has also been sorted (well all seems ok at the moment). We had a devil of a job closing the door without resorting to slamming it often needing more than one attempt.

    A new inner part has been fitted and it was a pleasure to close the door :Smile: Long may that status reign!
     
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    We have recently taken delivery of a new cheyn 660 with a 3 litre engine and an automatic gear system and am glad to report no juddering problems, (I have been told the problem tends to be with the 2.3 engine). We will be setting out in January on a fulltime tour of Europe approx 2 years, before shipping over to Canada and the US.
    ANY tips accepted with enthusiasm as we are firstimers!

    Regards Roger Loiselle.
     
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    congratulations, however, please check the waste water to the sink, wash basin and shower, we had major problem, had to leave tank open and carry wastemaster. It was a kinked pipe in the main waste tank
     

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