Charlies guide to Waxes. Sealants and Polishes.

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  1. Charlie

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    This question of wax keeps coming up time and time again. But many it seems are struggling separating what is a wax what is a sealant and what is a polish.

    WAX.
    This is a product that is usually a paste in a tin. It is used as a last stage product after polishing to protect and preserve the finish. It can be used straight onto surfaces with no preparation other than a deep clean. In short it protects and offers a degree of shine to the finishes.

    SEALANTS.
    Like wax its applied to protect. Sealants are usually liquid based and do exactly the same job as waxes. Very easy to apply and remove and popular to some.

    POLISHES
    Polishes are designed to cut and remove a degree of the actual surface. They do this with complex components within them. Some polishes are aggressive and cut fast. Some have low cut rates some are in between. Polishes are to restore and refine finishes but they offer ABSOLUTELY NO protection to the surfaces whatsoever.

    Using a polish to do a protective job or a wax to restore and polish will serve NO purpose whatsoever.

    It really is important to use the right type of product for the job.

    The question has been asked many many times which is the best wax. Im offering my opinion here rather than cluttering up several other threads which will just get confusing.

    Firstly lets consider what it is we are looking to achieve and of course protect.
    Our vehicles in this case are Motor Homes. Of course they are very big ! So this means we want a long lasting wax. After all a wax of long durability means we apply less often. I quite like waxing but im gubbered if want to be waxing my Motor Home often its just to arduous. So I/We want a long durability wax which offers good solid protection for a long time.

    Now I have lots and lots of waxes and sealants in my collection. Ranging form Zymol Concours at over 400 quid a jar. Down to waxes costing as little as 18 quid. Sealants I have less of as Im not nor never have been as keen on them. Fine if you like them and I occasionally do use them but not often.

    For me the wax that suits the application we are dealing with here is Colinite 476S. . In may many years in detailing this wax is yet to be beaten on durability. It is exceptional. I have waxes here costing ten times as much and yet none can match this wax for its ultimate durability.

    This picture shows the beading on the roof of my wee van Five months after its application of Colinite 476S. Five months and still beading water.
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    I polish my Chrome grilles with a 'polish' (Mer) and they bead for weeks.
     
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    Jim.... Polish is polish wax is wax... Sorry but polish offers zero protection it cannot does not and was and is never intended to do so.
    Chrome is quite different to paint and general finishes. Its properties are completely different. Chrome reacts to products quite differently and its the surface of the chrome that is shedding the water.
     
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    Why doesn't it bead when its not polished with Mer then? Mer agrees that it's better to wax afterwards but they sell their product as a clean shine and protect. I don't care whether it is wax providing the protection but there is certainly something doing it because when it's used water does bead very well.

     
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    Jim cleaning any surface will help. Clean it with a low cut polish like Mer and you have changed the integrity of the surface. It will of course feel slicker. It will now be cleaner. The surface will have changed so the behavior of water will change.

    Humour me. Next time you polish your chrome with Mer wax it afterwards as well... Now be gubbered will it bead ! It will bead far more because the surface has once again changed and is now not only slicker but protected as well ! Blimey it will now last forever !

    I wonder if this will earn me a free subs for a year ? :D:D:D

    Not for a minute am I going into the arena of what manufacturers claim their products can and will do. Sorry but its just marketing blurb. As I have said many times polish is polish and they do fantastic work but never have I used a so called universal product that works. Ever. (y)(y)
     
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    Maybe it will bead more if I wax it, after I've Mer'ed it But I'm not a great detailer certainly not anal about it, I just like to see my stuff clean and shiny. Mer says it Cleans, Shines and Protects. I believe them, seems to do exactly that for me :)
     
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    So Charlie, I have cleaned my MH and even used a polish remover so have a blank canvas. Assuming the surface is unblemished and the van is only 6 months old. Do I just go straight to a wax or do I get a better and/or longer lasting result if I use a polish first then wax?
     
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    Polishing will refine the surface so if you have the time and patience then do it !
    The better the finish the smoother it will be when the wax is applied. This in turn means less dirt and grime will adhere to it. The infamous black streaks may still appear of course but they will not only be less but will so easy to wash off with just a nice mild shampoo and warm water.

    Time polishing is never wasted if you love your kit and like it looking nice.

    Even a brand new vehicle will benefit from a polish !

    Jim. If your Mer is working for you and does what you want then ace ! But I trust manufacturers claims no more than I would trust a politician. I used to write as a technical author for one of the biggest manufacturers in the industry and I cannot say to much except what is often written is not...... Well not the whole nine yards.. But as above mate do what works for you ! (y)(y)
     
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    Charlie , im picking up a brand new motorhome soon , what threatment would you reccomend?
    I was thinking of washing it then applying colonite wax
     
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    That's exactly what I would do..

    Our van was 18 months old when we bought it. I machine polished it and applied Colinite 476S.

    Even a brand new vehicle can be improved with a machine polish but reality says only the really dedicated will do that. Nice wash and an application of 476 will be just fine .
     
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    i have used rotary buffers in the past , i used to have my own small bodyshop , i was considering doing the van with a machine polisher, can colinite be applied with a rotary machine?
     
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    I wonder if your chrome is beading due to a film residue left from the polish's liquid "carrier" fluid ?
     
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    Just ordered my first tin. Like to trial these products and by all accounts and reviews, sounds like a good product :)

    Thanks for the heads up:)
     
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    The thing with waxes... All waxes is that less is genuinely better. All you need is coverage no more. Putting too much on will not only waste product but will make getting the best finish much harder.

    So using a machine is IMO overkill.

    Colinite can be tricky but dead easy if you use it properly. Apply with a sponge applicator to a small area. Say a wing or half a bonnet. Then buff it off as fast as you can. Colinite does not need to cure.

    Most waxes work in the same way. Apply it and get it buffed off. With most sealants curing time is required.
     
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    Hi Charlie
    Where does "Clay" fit into the system.
    My boy used to swear by it when he detailed his car :)
     
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    Very possibly.. Good observation there !
     
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    Mate take a look in the detailing section. There is a thread that covers claying.. Any questions feel free to ask but best do it on that thread ? I will answer there and it won't take this thread to far off topic .... Cheers
     
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    Charlie I have just purchased a new PVC what would you recommend I do to keep it nice and shiny and easier to clean in the future.
     
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    As with the above just keep it waxed .. With a PVC its easy as we only have painted surfaces with decals all of which we wax ..
     
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