Cars on A-frames in the EU - Fined or not?

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  1. Minxy Girl

    Minxy Girl Funster Life Member

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    I don't have any problem with those who wish to tow using an A-frame, I personally have no intention, or need, to do this either in the UK or abroad, however there are a LOT of others who do so I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it all so that they can be as 'educated' about what the real situation is as much as is possible, hence this thread.

    There are various threads about towing a car with an A-frame and it seems that in the UK it is 'allowed' as it has not yet been challenged in court as to it's legality one way or another, there are various views on whether the A-frame and lighting/braking system turn it into a 'trailer' in it's own right or whether it still remains a car which is being towed.

    However, there is a lot of debate about whether or not this is permitted abroad. There are those who claim that it IS due to various EU wide regs/laws etc that say it should be 'accepted' as legal if it is legal in its 'home' country (see para two), then there are those who claim it isn't due to each individual country's laws banning the towing of one vehicle with another (which is not made for that specific purpose) regardless of what the 'home' country 'rules' are.

    I don't particularly want to start yet another debate about the above, however it would be useful to find out the real situation by hearing details from those who have been stopped within the last 5 years when towing with an A-frame. It would be useful to know:
    • in which country it took place, where (town/motorway/smaller road etc) and when
    • what reason did the driver give for using the A-frame, eg car broken down, turns it into a 'trailer', legal in the UK etc
    • were they made to unhitch and drive the second vehicle and were fined as well
    • were they made to unhitch and drive the second vehicle but without a fine being imposed
    • were they permitted to carry on their way towing without being fined
    • if a fine was imposed has anyone subsequently challenged it and what was the outcome - was the fine rescinded and refunded, or was the fine was upheld?
    So can we have actual facts from anyone who has experienced this - also, if anyone else has first hand knowledge that it has happened to someone they know and the final outcome that would be good too, but please NO "my mate, knows of a man with a one-legged dog who was in X country a decade ago and got fined".

    Please lets try to keep this thread factual so that it can be used to 'inform' those who use A-frames about the 'possible' scenarios they may find themselves in. (y)
     
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  2. vicwo

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    Just arrived in Langres in the middle of France. French police right up my ass going through toll. Not interested in my a-frame. Obviously they haven't read this forum that would give them vital information about French law.
     
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    ATTENTION ATTENTION - A-FRAME ALERT - PLEASE MOVE IN AN ORDERLY FASHION TO THE NEAREST EXIT AND TAKE COVER UNTIL THIS ALERT IS OVER.
     
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    Was with some one two years ago who got pulled and fined in Spain if that is any help
    We met the couple at a lunch stop and ended up doing the next leg together..
     
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    Me, 3 Times in Spain. Twice in 07 once in 08. Always on Motorways, Always on a Sunday, and always 2 Guardia on Motorcycles!!.

    All 3 times was "let off", after a lecture ( I assume, as my Spanish is (still) virtually none existent) inspection of my "papers" and a good look round the R-V. I think 2 things helped. One, the fact that my wife is disabled and cannot drive a manual car. Two, I shrugged my shoulders a lot and made noises about having to abandon the car at the roadside as no one could drive it. Don`t know if that was a factor?. One reason to Toad scruffy old Punto`s not worth a bean!.

    Anyway the upshot was, that was a catalyst in our decision to try R-V`ing in the USA. Which we did ("A" framing) on and off, for some 5 years and over 15K miles!.

    Pete
     
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    Gassing any minute now???

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    Followed by grey water dumping :Grin:
     
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  8. big map

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    I have told you on the other thread of our experiences within the last few years including copies of the notice and fine in Germany and being waved on our merry way in France. Live and let live.
     
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    It makes real sense to actually research the situation about these things, I have read letters in magazines where people have personally been stopped and fined on the spot and made to drive on separately. These all seem to have happened the same way stoped by two policemen and told it was illegal told to pay OR confiscation and a courtcase. This might be bullying police tactics or even a scam by rogues trying to make money on the side with FOREIGN INNOCENTS ABROAD. It was happening here a while ago with false police stopping driver from abroad who do not know what the police actually were.
    However I have also read in the police information for foreign driver(in English) that it is illegal and the process that would be followed, this was on one of the Spanish Authorities websites for drivers.
    Whatever it is I would not chance going with one to Spain. Too big a chance of losing all or even a large amount of money.
     
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    Yes, I'm just trying to encourage the info to be posted in one 'easy to digest' thread for those who need to know the situation before their travels.
     
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    If you don't want to use an a-frame don't do it. If you want to use an a-frame do it. Personal choice.
     
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    If you want a dog get one. If you don't want a dog don't have one. Personal choice.
     
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    If you want an rv buy one. If you don't want an rv don't buy one. Personal choice.
     
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    If you want to overnight in an aire do so. If you don't want to overnight in an aire don't do it. Personal choice.
     
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    I'm not sure why a thread, which I started with the best of intentions to get genuine and sensible advice for others regarding the likelihood of being 'pulled' for using an A-frame is being perpetuated by daft posts! :rolleyes:

    At least no-one can say I didn't try to gather useful info ... :)
     
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    Not sure if that's meant for me or not, if it IS you are wrong - please read my OP and other ones too.o_O
     
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    Oh dear! Another boring thread.:whistle:
     
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    if you dont mind arguing with the police and are prepared to go to a court and argue your case , then use an a frame . if not then dont . uk folk have had money returned by spanish courts .
    i was stopped this year being towed by a mate in his tryuck . we were using a solid bar tow pole ,yeoolow light on my truck flashing . plus hazard lights . we explained i had a fuel problem and wetre originaly parked in a national park car park and didnmt want to spill any diesel in the park. . we had contacted a local garage about looking at the truck . i also had my old business card that said i did recovery in uk . we pretended not to know it was not correct to tow in spain . thety escorted us to the industrial estate we were heading to. no probs . it was a saturday . as it was i fixed it that day myself guardia can be ok . ,
    remember this was a truck pulling a mini artic set up.
     
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