Carrying stuff in your motorhome.

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  1. knokinonabit

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    I know this has been covered before, but I just noticed this paragraph on my tax disc renewal form and thought it might provoke some thoughts.

    Quote " This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from 25/07/2015 but goods vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."

    So, the question is, are motorbikes/scooters, pedal bikes or trailers pulling them, or a car, classed as needed by the user for accommodation purposes ?
    Define "needed for accommodation purposes", or what comprises such.

    Obviously our MH is over 3.5t, hence the tax class being Private HGV.

    I really must stop thinking. :confused:
     
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    Oh my god you've done it now .
    All the doom n gloom merchants will be in their element now telling us all what we can't do.
    My advice stop thinking so much and just enjoy the freedom while you still have some.
     
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    A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. ;)
     
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    This is what makes it a "living van". For some arbitrary reason, the DVLA thinks that bicycles are OK, but adding an engine to the bike makes it obviously not. Personally, I don't see a difference. Both are vehicles you take along to allow you to enjoy yourself or pop to the shops.

    However, despite the DVLA's protestations, I understand the courts have been interpreting it as all personal (as opposed to commercial goods) are exempt, even motorbikes, provided they're not used for racing meets etc. This may well be wrong and I haven't read any court proceedings to confirm it, but it seems a far more sensible interpretation. I'm sure parliament didn't intend to ban motor caravans taking bicycles on holiday.
     
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    Personally I couldn't care less what some poxy bureaucrat says I can or cant have in the back of my van I paid for it and I'll use it as I see fit and wont be asking anyones permission.
    Why the hell does their have to be a law legislating and controlling every little detail of our lives bloody big brother gone mad.

    Come the revolution all these b******s will be lined up against the wall. :p:p

    In the words of the great man

    "I am not a number" (y)

    I can make up my own mind.

    Phew thats better need a lie down now :)
     
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    Just looking for clarification really.
    Whatever you do in your own property is up to you, as far as I am concerned.
    Don't you come on this site complaining when you get nicked, 'cos I did try to help you with the rules Number 6. :whistle:

    Hope you enjoyed your lie down and are feeling so much more relaxed. :)
     
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    Do you have a step ladder permit for when you decorate your house :ROFLMAO:
    Beware the HSE if you fall off them without a permit :whistle: No NHS for you geezer :LOL:
     
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    That's Yorick stuffed then...... though as you say, pretty hard to prove and a really silly jobsworth stance
     
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    knokinonabit Funster

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    Actually, I do.

    It's issued to me by my own personal HSE officer, SWMBO.
    Usually by the JFDI command. Just f***ing do it. ;)
     
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    There's so much rubbish about this, basically, you can carry anything in your motorhome ( read Motor Caravan for dvla purposes) as long as it's for your own use while you are using your motorhome as a motorhome.
    Stepladders, motorbikes, cars, etc.
    It's common sense. Don't think about it too much.
    Allan
     
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    Are these ok??

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    You just have to explain that the bike is there because you sleep-cycle sometimes. (y)
     
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    yeh but, no but, hell its not worth the hassle
     
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    well a m,bike does make it a living van .and the courts will agree with that . also alsorts of items like blow up boats etc . its not really a new thing .
    i had it explained to me by vosa 14 yrs ago .
    my trailer is a living van . ideal suits me fine . remember if its classed as a living van you will have the wrong mot and possibly the wrong insurance .
    well thats put the cat amongst the pigeons .
    cars certainly are in a load area this was sorted out years ago and the courts will definately class it as a goods vehicle .
    i had a coach converted in the early 90,s it had a load area for a car . even the ministry mot station wouldnt mot it as a m,home in about 92 . i believe the rules changed .
    toy hauler fifth wheelers if over 3,500kg gvw should be mot,d as well.
     
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    Oooohhh common sense :whistle: :whistle: Trouble is it gets in the way of scaremongering and urban myths :)
     
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    Well what about this then, could double up as an airbag at a push :)

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    If you are worried about this, I suspect the definition to concentrate on is 'goods/burden' rather than the use for accommodation. If the articles in question aren't goods or burden, then their use in relation to the accommodation doesn't come into it.

    A goods vehicle is normally used to transport goods for a business purpose. Goods are usually defined in relation to a business use (I don't really know about burden - it's not exactly a common term). Note that hire & reward isn't required - carrying your own goods for your own business is still the transport of goods.

    If you are a self-employed bricklayer, you can travel to where the work is in your m'home. You can take your bike to do the last bit of the journey to the site each day. I believe you can even take your own trowel. What you can't do is call at the builders merchant & pick up a bag of cement on the way without a goods vehicle certificate. If you tried to take the 'tools of the trade' argument too far & stuck a cement mixer in the garage, I suspect questions could be asked!

    If you are on holiday and only take items relating to your holiday, then I don't think those items are classed as goods.
     
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    I wonder how they define " the user"
    Cos I'm not eating all that dog food, or the cat food and I'm definitely not using the Catsan.
     
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    Does this mean that I now have to leave my inflatable dolly behind??:blush:
     
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