Can anyone put a date to this picture

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  1. scotjimland

    scotjimland Funster Life Member

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    Wasn't sure what forum to put this.. hobbies or photography .. feel free to change Jim. :Smile:

    I am trying to put an approximate date this photograph from the style of clothing and the bushy mutton chops.

    He is an ancestor of mine, Alex Boyd, born in 1865 .. who according to the 1901 census was was a Chemist working in Glasgow

    My own feeling is it is around the 1900.. or maybe just a little earlier.. what do you think ?

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    he looks more like 50 than 35 to me Jim.
     
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    I wouldn't have the chap older than 45-50 in that picture, so I reckon 1910/15
     
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    Well before I read both Rogers and Jims posts I had already made my mind up at late 40s to early 50s :Wink::Smile:
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    not necessarily Roger.

    look at the young men of the 40s and early 50s.......same hair style, same suit and same trilby as their dads but probably no more than 20 to 30.....old before their time in appearance.

    the Teddy boy era soon changed that.

    Jims ancestor has a young facial appearance but old hair so i reckon Jim is close to the date
     
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    Looks Jims (SJLs ) double to me :BigGrin:
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    yes.. there is a strong resemblance.. :Smile:

    he has that upper class aire about him.. a man you would respect.. a man who knows who he is and not to be messed with .. don't you think ?

    yes..defo like me :Laughing::Rofl1:

    thanks for replies.. :thumb:
     
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    no way Terry, much younger than 105:Rofl1::Rofl1::Rofl1:
     
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    The Collar? and the 4 button double breasted style coat, think you should date those rather than the Mutton Chops, lot of those carried on until the WW1 with a certain part of society
    Have seen fellas, proud owners of Early M/cars dressed in a similar way

    So?

    Very Early 1900s
     
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    This was taken in 1910. Look at the lapels. They look very similar to me.


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    Jill used to do the photo dating when we had the business so I asked her to have a look and we compared the jacket style to photos in our own collection which we know the date of.

    We reckon the jacket is around late 1880s/early1890s but it appears to be formal wear and formal suits did not go out of fashion so quickly as every day clothes - people would keep and wear them for several years. It would be a bit easier if he were standing so that the jacket length could be seen.

    At first glance the hair looks grey but he could have been fair/sandy haired and, as John said, he looks reasonably young facially.

    Putting all that together we would go with around 1900.
     
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    This was 1910 too



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    He looks too young in the face to be going grey all over so my guess is he has light-coloured hair and whiskers and you're probably looking at a photograph of him in his 30s at the very end of the 19th century. However, it would probably have been a long exposure time so the slightest movement and a bit of overexposure on the face may be covering wrinkles. Even so, the clothing looks pre-WWI, so I doubt if he's into his 50s.

    Is there not a photographer's business stamp on the edge or on the back of the pic? If so you could find out when the photographer was in business from trade directories. My great grandad and his father before him were photographers around that time and all their stuff was stamped or in decorative mounts.

    On a related note I recently bought an early Victorian photo album at auction because the pics in it were clearly from the 1860s, and it's a lovely item. I'm going to keep it, not sell it. All the women look like Florence Nightingale and there's a soldier in Crimean War era uniform. It has a dedication in the front dated 1862. Most of the pictures (when removed from their mounts) have visible photographer's stamps on them that give an idea of where the family must have lived. Fascinating stuff.
     
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    without reading the other posts i would date it to very late 19th century to about 1905. based on facial features about 35-40 years old. the suit style was common to that time too
     
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    The hair esp the whiskers are sharp, so I doubt the face is smoothed by a long exposure. Even the box brownie was shooting at around 1/50th of a second in 1900
     
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    He looks a fine upstanding chap Jim, whenever it was taken.

    I have a wedding photo of my Grandad ( who died in the war) and my Grandmother hanging on my stairs and I say goodnight to them every night.

    I think it's lovely having photos of people who are long gone:thumb:
     
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    1912 i think.
     
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    I would say about 1905 to 1910 from the style of dress. I think he was probably sandy haired which tends to look grey on sepia tints. He has quite a young looking complexion that's why I think he is early forties. Distinguished chap though.
     
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    A friend of mine who runs a studio in Scotland is fourth or fifth generation and his Grandfather was running the studio in Scotland about this time photographing the King of the time etc.

    He still has all the ledgers from the time as well, would you like me to ask him if his ancestor took the image


    stew
     
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    Hi Stew .. yes please do..

    The Stamp on the back is

    T&R Annan & Sons

    Portrait and Landscape Photographers

    153 Sauchiehall Street
    Glasgow
    & Glenbank
    Lenzie

    Here is a site http://www.annanphotographs.co.uk/
    has lot of famous people's portraits and pictures of Glasgow

    More info

    T. & R. Annan & Sons

    Artist associated with 16 portraits
    The company T. & R. Annan & Sons was established by Thomas Annan in 1855. They were official photographers at the Glasgow Exhibitions of 1888, 1901 and 1911, and received a Royal Warrant from Queen Victoria in 1889.
     

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